Bases ?
 

Crew Direct - Permanent Bases - is up again...

Bid closes 31st Dec, to start 1st of July 2017.

Any punts on where ?

Ningbo
Xian
Kunming

Taipei
Bangkok

Unless you are <500 in the seniority list I wouldn't worry about it.

Surely CX management wouldn't be so cynical to re-open basis in the same week as they announce no 13th month due to managements poor financial decisions.

Surely they wouldn't take a contracted benefit away from us for 6 years (bases), then effectively sell it back to us by taking away another contracted benefit (13th month).

Surely they don't think they can pacify 2,000 pilots by awarding 5 pilots a base.

Surely....

Wrong! Check your company emails.

Progress

Yes they will, yes they will, yes they can.....

"And don't call me Surely":):)

Bases released on crew direct

I don't mean to crow but I have said many times CX would open bases in Oz again.

About bloody time though.......

Anotherday....


I said CX would eventually open bases up again in Australia and they HAVE. Sorry to have to tell you but Perth is in Australia mate.

I don't care why they did, it obviously makes commercial and financial sense to do it and the LSL doesn't out weigh the cost saving.....obviously it doesn't because all the slots for CAPT and FO ( 10 ) will go to very senior crew and they will all have a fairly large LSL entitlement on day 1.
So they could have closed the base and crewed it out of HKG easily, BUT THEY DIDN'T did they.

They will open other ports as well soon, it will happen.

You read it here first......

Oh and there is no need to call the HK crew "princesses", cheap nasty petty stupid comment.

Anotherday, a little jealous, perhaps? And rumour has it that the purveyors of the new rostering system have asked 'management' why there are not a lot more bases.

X from Princess Dart. My carriage awaits.

Not entirely true, CR. Bases are only truly efficient when there are symmetric (even numbers) crew to operate in and out. You can't just blend HK and based crews. At some point, there needs to be a positioning sector to balance things out. Also, there are sometimes excessively long layovers to accommodate crew on bases or by based crew in HK. This all costs money and is inherently inefficient. Don't even get me started on the YVR and MAN freighter bases. Those are a joke and would not exist anywhere but CX.

The Company isn't just throwing out numbers from a game of darts when they put out this bid. They are trying to get bases to a minimum crewing level to be efficient when the Jeppessen system starts building patterns. The best computer program in the world can't make 1+2=4.

I seriously hope this fool /\ isn't left alone in a cockpit.

PER FO Slots
 

Rumour has it that no FO,s will be awarded PER base so don,t get your nickers in a knot in anticipation. Perhaps even on the other bases as well !!
Why you ask, because TC,s, STC,s & BTC's (some extremely high on seniority list) "ALL" are checked out in the RHS and MANY very near to saying sionara who would have no problem "downgrading" to FO for their last few years. Specifically those Ausies who would get most of the first year off re LSL + normal leave. .

And the show begins

Check the award very carefully !!!!!!!!!!

There is no provision in the COS to downgrade . It has been done in the past but they were 7 ASL pilots and since then (2002?) the provision has not existed so unfortunately Flex your post is unsupported.

Anotherday, had your forbearers had the good sense to flog a loaf of bread (or a bag of nails as is my case) and been interned in Van Diemen's land then I suspect your line may have been different. Your term "princesses" for those adhering to the law betrays you. Surely you have something of more substance to offer.

It's also explicitly prohibited in the NTC.

Anotherday,

I think that you will find that in these "tough financial times", the company is not paying out LSL.

If you have LSL, you have to take it.

I think, if you read the words, flex88 is saying they would happily operate from the RHS when required....not a rank downgrade but in essence a downgrade from their usual seat for that rostered flight.

'Certain simple eligibility filters are included in the Crew Direct bidding system. However more complex eligibility criteria are yet to be included in the system, thus a bid being accepted by the system does not guarantee that the bid is eligible'............I would suggest we are about to be outsmarted again as little that happens these days does not come with a direct attack on contact compliance and the training ban.

Did they not just offer Perth base another day?

Not according to Anotherday!

Just enough slots to make our young FOs and SOs stay, in hope they'll get a base one day.

Paying 8 LSL is peanuts compared to a proper housing allowance for new hires.

Quick, Decisive and Wrong!

Please keep in mind all the caveats in the bids. They can, they have, they will, do whatever they want. It includes type and/or base change. YOU WILL sign a new COS. It will include PX on the freighter. I will also assume you will sign housing away. The tax implications are huge too. If you want a base, without all the nonsense attached, you will have to leave. This is another attempt to reduce our terms and conditions. Remember the COS 08 debacle??? You do know that OZ and 'Merica have new agreements. 'Merica still does not have A days but yes they have a pension. They lost some benefits that SL from Flight crew services delivery snuck in when the 'Mericans went onshore. I am still trying to get my head around the Senior Freighter Captain thingy. The Yanks have said no? Not sure I understand it.

Buyer beware with this base bid. I honestly believe it's another trick.

Isn't Perth the base with no fatigue? (Submit ASR-Fs and we will close the base). I'm keen to get out of HKG, but not to Perth. I would also want to look very carefully at what the COS says.

LSL is not a cost problem. It is a manning level problem. I suspect the company is about to fix their crew shortage and CC training ban issues. Outsource training and checking, move A330s to Turkish Dragon.

Poor old anotherday..........

He doesn't realize Perth is part of Australia.

Although the east coast population think that Perth is way way over there somewhere!!

They could have closed the base and offered relocation to effected officers to other bases or HK.

They didn't, why? Because they know bases save money. Oh and they'll need approx 40% of the total crew on bases to make the CMP work correctly.

Get over it, you were and are wrong

Ok girls, stop fighting now

ACMS is on a base. You talk about yourself I guess...

Anotherday...........:D

More importantly can Canadians be based in the US or what??

There's going to be stacks of bases in Australia!

Just not with CX (or KA for that matter).

Australia signs open a skies agreement with China | Australian Aviation

CX always has an angle, I imagine Perth is a fishing expedition targeted at just the right amount of expats, and to suitably dangle the carrot of future bases which will never come.

The best part, finally the loads will lighten up and an FOC might actually work, however CX will probably down size to keep the load factor up :ugh:

This not me but I am hoping someone in the know can answer my question.
54yr old A scale capt. Have not signed over to B scale but stayed on COS 99 with retirement age 55.
Can I take a Perth Base next year and in doing so sign over to 65 yr retirement ??
This not me.. Just thinking

PBPA 2008, 8.1 (a) answers that.

To hard to look up Wanchai. Yes or No would be good

PanZa - No unless on type then maybe

The answer is no whether you are on type or not. That is the company interpretation of the requirement to be able to serve two years at the base before retirement.

No

Ask the Rottweiler - he learnt the hard way...

So 76 crew applying for a total of 10 Perth positions. :eek:

I'm guessing that it requires a minimum of 20 years at the very least to be able to get a Perth base as a captain!

It'll be around 10-12 as an FO and that will include giving your dreams up of a shiny widebody command up!

New joiners, you just let that digest for a while.

It's almost like CX is fishing to see how desperate crew are to get out of Hong Kong and use the information to offer even worse conditions. No CX would never do that :D

New Joiners are being told (and have been for some time) that they are interviewing for HK based positions and there will be no new base slots opening up in the foreseeable future, if at all. It obviously hasn't deterred any of them from coming here so far and I don't see that changing anytime soon, so as far as any suggestion for anyone to 'digest that for a while' - I doubt much will change.
'Theres a new world arriving'

Funny you should say that. The "My maaaaate in the Fleet office said that CMP calculated we need 40% of pilots on bases" rumour can only be heard from the irritating mouths of Aussies.

I applaud the optimism. The same optimism also driving the Rugby team when they play England.