Not my Fleet at the moment, but with that caveat:
Most used to be three crew and have been for a long time now, suspect they are all 3 now.
Two local nights off in HKG most trips.
Not completely up to speed on EASA/Bidline on this specific trip but looks like 3 local nights prior and post on most rosters.

Good luck all..what an amazing network they fly!..I really think something is up here in HK..you couldn't possibly want to manage an airline this way unless you were asset stripping it or being forced to sell. Go and enjoy a real career..this company is going nowhere but down.

Two Capts and Two F/O's plus 48 hours in HKG on the 380.

Blunderbus

Having been taken very very much by surprise by that comment I originally posted a "thanks for the correction", but I've just been off and done some checking - are you sure about that statement because where I looked I couldn't see any 4 pilot HKGs for the foreseeable future on either the 777 or the 380.

FWIW and for definite the 744, when it did the route, and nowadays 777 both have longer flight times on the sector than the 380 and they went down to 3 pilots a fair time ago.

In any event as you say the default slip was/is around 48 hours.

I will publicly apologise and wind my neck if you can show that BA schedules the 380 on the daily HKG with 4 pilots (and the occasional 1 extra perhaps due to training doesn't count).

Wiggy,

you're correct, 3 man on the BA 380. Got two this month. 4 man would be nice!

Bottom line, how many days off before and/or after can BA crew expect when rostered a 3 crew HKG trip?

And while we here, how many roster changes do you get on average per month?

Does British Airways have any real command training for potential capts? If so what is the failure rate?
Or does it have some sort of 'drag the life out of you for months and fail you on the last day only to get zero training to try it all again 12 months later?'

CCA
To some extent nights off before/after is a "that depends" due to a combination of Bidline Rules and EASA. It's usually 3 local nights (i.e. two clear days) before/after, but under EASA the days off before might be controlled by the previous duty (e.g. a SIN/SYD/SIN will mean (I think) 4 days off before).

Nowadays you shouldn't get many roster changes (certainly in Long Haul). It normally now only happens if you lose a rostered trip due to external circumstances ( ATC strike, weather), in which case, roughly speaking, the company have the option of dropping another trip into the days that were occupied by the cancelled trip.

qld330

You'll get a block of formal PICUS sectors a few month before the course, there's also a short ground course (mainly legal stuff). The length of the formal command course (sims and line sectors) depends on whether you are doing a Right to Left on type or a Command conversion (e.g. 747 to A320). Just to give you some idea when I went Right to Left a few years back, on Longhaul, it was 6 sims and 10 line sectors, including the 2 sector final check.

There are failures, can't give a rate off the top of my head but it's not astronomic.

If you do fail it is possible you may not automatically have the chance of another go (and I'd say certainly not within a year), course failures are handled by a formal process and each case is different.

"You go"

"No, you go"

"Ok, you first"

"Look, it's a no brainer, you have to go"

" Yes, true. You really should join them, they are so much better."

" Agree. The roster is perfect, you have to go."

"OK, listen, this is a chance-of-a-lifetime. If you don't join I can't help you."

" Could not agree more. When do you join?"

" I really consider it. But, mate, you need to go now"

...

Not too different from my CX course then! Approx 10 sims incl lofts, PC etc. 40 odd sectors over 3 months on a plane that I had been flying from the RHS for over 10 years!!

B.A.R.F.'N.

British Airways Right F'Now

Maaaate: you'd spew if ypu didn't!!

And every one of those sectors a potential chop ride!

If I was running CX training. I would sack all the mangers. They have a horrible system in place. It's a choke point to growth. Don't start me on the arrogance on display in those offices either. Jeez!!

Well, it's official. I'm not smart enough to work for BA...
:}

Hilarious that anyone thinks there would be "management name takers" at such an event.
1. They don't care (you're not as important as you think)
2. They don't have the time to waste on such a pointless excercise.
3. I doubt any of them could match names to faces of even 5% of our F/Os & S/Os.

The only people who might care about a large number of resignations are the DFO & her advisors/negotiators as it's pretty clear these are the people responsible for driving down morale and pissing the pilots off over the last year or two.

Why shouldn't you explore other employers? Cathay don't own you - it's got nothing to do with them what you investigate in your own time.
If they bother taking your name (they won't) - who cares??:cool:

I do love these Alice in Wonderland fairytales.Hat police lurking in the shadows, Cathay Drones being flown to track your movements when you have called in sick, closing down an airline and putting tens of thousands of employees out of work because 2000 pilots go on strike.

What has happened to you all! Grow a pair and stop believing in jackanory BS.

So, did anyone go?

Hong Kong Is the Least Affordable City in the World

Need I say more?

So I guess it was all talk and no action again.