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Yes, Yes, Surely truely the system was absolutely "Normal" my Lord. especially you know, it occurred at RAT only, and the so called Reliability Acceptance Test has nothing to do with the CORE FUNCTIONS.
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let me educate the new member: it is just one of the many core functions like what you described as plural. there are many core functions in this rubbish. all these functions are designed to generate workload. no wonder they could sell to india with so many cheap labour. is this system a free gift to india which bought a lot of missiles from this company? :*:eek:
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Hmmmm, even the written communication is as clear as what I hear on the radio most days. Here is my shocked face :eek:
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Indeed Trafalgar.
The vast majority are very good though. A new record hourly movement today I'm reliably told. youknowwho; yes, we know who. Give it a rest. Your daily pseudonyms are getting kind of predictable. Lot of work to be done; but what's the alternative? Answers on a blue transfer slip please. In triplicate. It's HK you know. (I swear I saw carbon paper in the ATCX the other day) |
Sure there are a lot work to be done. but by Who? and What?
What about those you paid for, yet end up DIY. Sure that is good training I believe. Well, Don't just mention India or Dubai here. have a look at NZ, SG, MY. or even Incheon, Chengdu. :} |
It made me wonder, If the new ANC can made to work with the old AT1, why can't AT3 make to work with the other existing subsystems?
Instead of spreading resources all around to build every single piece brand new from scratch and finished in the wrong order, Why can't made AT3 work first? It is like giving birth, every bits' out, except the head. |
How long has ATCC been completed by now? how long has AT3 been running there?
Have you ever notice how many days ATCC left deserted? how often you found anyone were doing anything there? it doesn't look like there are a lot of work to be done at all. HK? it is more like another planet |
The current setting might not work for lower than current capacity. An arbitrary percentage of reduction might not sufficiently highlight the problems in this new (old, as a matter of fact) system. Aren't you aware of some funny system behaviour that would paralyse the operation during the conversion training? Try to be more vigilant in Module 4 and Module 5. :E
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Right from the Boston days til now.
Adaptation didn't even had the minimum data to activate all major functions and allow more realistic scenario to run. Yet, the system managed to get pass so many "Acceptance Test". The Raytheon guys knew you have to accept it, no matter what they throw at you. The smart people of Hong Kong will just make it work, in 23 months. |
Foxtrot.Z, that guy would certainly sleep well as such a person can bring down cad, what else he cannot do for his own goodness. Surprised to know 23 months to complete this project, it must be a myth, a miracle! He must be a harbinger of all engineering works, a model in engineering world. :ok::E
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23 months completion time for such a complex project must be a new Guinness World Record. Well deserved many promotions!:D
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No, it was well completed since the beginning.
The 23 long months was given just for you old people to take up the new system. |
23 months is very long, we can get a instrument rating.
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News from HQ, we would use the new system in terminal areas. Can't wait to see this happen soon.
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TCAS_RA is not something they would care about but earliest use of the new system so that they can escape from ma ma's watching.
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Well said :ok:
An innovative engineer designed the ATM project to be finished in 23 months won all the prizes.........being promoted three times in a few years' time. He now successfully passes the buck to the users who make all the noises including this one. No ATM system in the world can be completed within 23 months. This crpy system would take 23 years. On behalf of all ops colleagues, thank you for your innovative idea. Looks like you need to invent more pragmatic idea so that the DDGCA post can still be reserved for you. This machine is nightmare to all of us, I hope you share our concern and do not sleep well every night. |
He and his bosses should be transferred to look after our high-speed rail project. |
News from HQ, we would use the new system in terminal areas. Can't wait to see this happen soon. |
Can anyone confirm the guy who wrote the procedure is being fired? Hope to see a better writer, the one we are trained on is workload driven. He should be fired earlier.
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This is how dg create his horse stalls culture. He once said to his subordinates "do not 對號入座" but then he creates a bunch of shoe shiner, yes sir, no problem, etc. |
"Can anyone confirm the guy who wrote the procedure is being fired? Hope to see a better writer, the one we are trained on is workload driven. He should be fired earlier."
Nice work EARLY-GO. Nothing like playing the man and not the ball. You think the guys over there take any joy in having make the thing work to your satisfaction? Its a dog's breakfast. Focus on the real problem, not the poor guys trying to make it work. Feel free to offer your services if you think you could do better. You make me sick |
Sarcasm works well.
Everything is bad except there is still early go in the day one operations. The engineers are laughing at us, the blame successfully passed to atmd that the head of us accepted it because of his evil agenda. Sometimes, being fired is good. We will be very surprised if any tailored-made procedure would work on this system with only 16 days Detail Design Review with the contractor. Our great engineering chief + engineering head + ddgca, may I have your attention now. Thank you for your bright idea: 23 months to have a sophisticated system work as per design, 16 days DDR (as compared to 9 months spent in AT1 project), give-away of safety requirements, etc etc. Countless of wrongdoings.....now you pass all the fault to the users - controller and assistant. I now formally curse your act. Time for a decent break, Mike! |
Not sure if it is safer the new system only happens on approach and tower. An engineer said they were quite ready to support the two-centre operation.
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You guys are having a difficult time, I hope someone can translate the following in English.
:}???? ????????? ?????? - ???? :confused:???????? ?????? - ???? :{?????????? - ???? I thought three miles separation is the minimum not four miles. |
18 days of Detailed Design Review (2 days on console) for this air traffic control system, what do you expect???
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Our DG decides to run away earlier than expected, does it mean the new ATM system is confirmed very "unsafe"? OMG! :eek:
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"..........run away earlier than expected.........." |
He will leave in this Sept and cannot extend three months.
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Sept is not early at all unless he takes the system with him.
Even if that allows to happen, you may just have another 23 months. |
Your director, once said hk controller is a factory worker, will leave in May this year.
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So when will ICAC arrest him and his fellow DDG, ADGs? ICAC: Independent Commission Against Corruption (Hong Kong) |
Would there be any chance that AT3 go with him?
At the end of the day, do the whoever/wooever knowing what really need to be done? and getting what we need? |
youknowwho
At the end of 23 years, the whoever/whoever will know what really need to be done and get what we need...........but, the contractor will, again, use a ridiculous low tender price to cheat CAD. The new system is a fake system, it can only handle four aeroplanes in holding pattern. Whoever try to handle six (as required) will get caught by this state of the art label design.
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I am not so sure the contractor was the only one trying to cheat here, at the first place.
The legendary 23 months is more than a perfect match for the ridiculous price |
follow strictly to what needs to be entered into this garbage system otherwise the system will punish you by not allow you to key in anything.
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Just look at how ASA rated RTN for Onesky (page 3)
http://auntypru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Airservices-OneSKY-Document.pdf |
Keep seeing the word CAATS everywhere in AT3, didn't realized until seeing this old thread here. That is really something before AT2.
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The ancestor of AT3, CAATS was done some 15 years ago, but it still appeared in The Vancouver Sun recently as a bad examples.
..... The Canadian Automated Air-Traffic system was 11 years late and, at $1 billion, more than 50 per cent over budget. Transport Canada continually tolerated problems in its early development, putting the project behind schedule and in danger of collapse with more than 5,300 ordered changes to the system. It then admitted the project had become a “mess.” The federal government dumped that mess in 1996 onto Nav Canada, as part of its privatization of Canada’s air navigation service. Nav Canada, now a private corporation, took a different approach — demanding $7 million in penalties from a contractor, threatening to make its own system outside of the contract and making it clear to software firms there was no further changing of the project’s scope. In the end, hundreds of millions of extra dollars were spent on a system that now forms the backbone of the nation’s air traffic system. ... |
youknowwho
Comm'on, it is an old news, let bygone be bygone. Let uncle buy you ice cream and don't make noise, ok? If you don't like ice cream, what about give you some TOIL??
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TOIL, Icecream?
Who wants either in this miserable weather?
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