CX couldn't even roster 3 man trips with all the pre flight rest requirements involved...way too inflexible for crew control when they are at their daily scramble mission trying to crew all the midnight departures by 7pm.

Always strikes me as interesting to see a trip that used to need 4 now can be done with 3. Are we humans evolving that fast? Will that same trip need only 2 in 10 years time??
Why not - the autopilot's good and PM could become PMA (Pilot Monitoring Asleep)? Or PNMCHA (Pilot Not Monitoring 'Cos He's Asleep).
I think I'll put that to the DFO when she takes up her post. Maybe if it came down from Swire House, they could order the DFO to think it's a great way forward.:ok:

Not to mention the BA crews get a CHOICE of the routes they fly and how many times a month operating east west they'd like to do them..if at all.
In addition they don't get given an all night SIN turn or Colombo when they get to HKG.(all free on an EXB of course and advised immediately they land)
Then go home and sit FREE reserve 30 days a year.
Neither do they turn up at dispatch ready for a rostered LHR-short haul and get ordered to do a 15 ULH pattern.(with the 'are you refusing' bull**** from crew control)
Nor do they fly to HKG from LON and sit around for a week away from home on constantly changing 'plans' because of 'roster disruption' then fly back home for 2 days off and scoot back to HKG for more of the same totally disorganized rubbish.
And then there are the freighter crews and rosters..a whole new dimension in crew abuse!!!
Stay focused dudes!

It's the company's choice to operate this way..in total disarray..but why on earth does ANY pilot operating in a fatiguing environment with so many ULH flights (exclusively ULH for some pilots) have to put up with it?
Is it really SO hard to implement a computer rostering/bid system and crew the bloody aircraft properly??
I mean really...how long have other legacy carriers been doing it and it must be cost effective or they'd find another way right?
It's just a handful of individuals blocking progress.

Only 20 underlying problems!!!!! You have to be joking, try 60+ at least and counting. Please feel free folks to list them one post at a time.......

1. No pay rise 2013.

2. Broken leave system

3. Ridiculous rostering system , that in it self covers at least 12 pts

4. An inadequate housing scheme for our post 2010 newjoiners...(especially the ones with family) and a 25 year scheme as per the 2009 SLS BS.

5. A HK$ 2000 profit share. (I'm still not sure I've accepted this one as being genuine or a joke yet...)

6. Unilateral withdrawal of A-days

7. Tax debacle for based crew

8 . Bases.

10. There is no limit to the amount of Positioning that may be undertaken following the completion of a FDP other than compliance with the maximum cumulative duty hours limitations.

11. Under-inflation pay rise, years late.

With quite few NA leaving and the same number of SO looking around,
The company is digging a deep grave for itself.

After 20+ years of pettyness and abuse.....The chickens are coming home to roost....

15. Deliberately do not auto refund J class to JMP downgrade. even though J class to Y class is an identical downgrade and is done automatically. Pilfering from your own employees is not pretty!

16. reneged on instructor pilot contracts.

17) No more beers for the bus