Guilty as charged!

As for Boogers point, extremely valid and I wish more of our current SO recruits had such similar experience. In the not too distant past, I have flown with many SO's well into their 30's with a lot of hours and good, relevant, practical experience. Generally great to fly with, interesting to chat with, and useful in the seat Sadly, hires of that experience are in general no longer being netted.

My red wine fueled rant, was directed at the current hiring policy, whereby we are currently hiring from the bottom of the experience pool, by virtue of the Company acquiescing to a policy (put in place by the Government, which can be worked around when a need to hire expats is demonstrated) of what appears to be only hiring HK ID card holders, who for the most part have bugger all useful experience.

Clearly following 'Govt policy' suits the Company as new hires with experience you can count on one hand, don't have much weight to push their salary scales to where they should be. Whereas experienced DEFO's would be inclined to demand market rates for their experience. Additionally, being generally older and often encumbered with a cook and ankle-biters, they are more likely to need larger housing which the Company will not want to pay for, as that aspect doesn't fit the Company's evolving and gradual plan to eradicate housing allowance.

Here's hoping the gamble pays off and we avoid the smoking hole in the ground.

Just sayin'.

Not paid for doing quiz in leisure time???
 

I thought CX paid a monthly salary. They own your souls chaps 24/7. BTW Hot Dog, most of those posting on this forum would not know what a F/E was. We played a role in aircraft which required our presence, and knowledge. Those with whom we flew, almost all, appreciated our contribution. As always, the bean counters won the day and now we have aircraft flying around with people such as many on here who do nothing but bleat about their employer and probably don't know their ass from their elbow when it comes to their knowledge of the aircraft they are flying. The one's who do know their stuff would likely not take time to post.

Old Fella - Thanks for taking the time to post!

I may be wrong but haven't most airline bean counters bought modern aircraft that have no need for a Navigator (due to GPSIRS MIX) or F/E ( due to FADEC).

WTF is the point of your post Old timer?

"They own your souls 24/7"!!!!!
No they certainly don't. They are my employers when I am at work or contactable. Rest of the time they don't own me at all unless I decide to hit the 'books' for few hours or brush up on something to do with flying their jets.
Otherwise, good luck even trying to locate me, let alone own me!:cool:

Spot on, Arfur!

Even my young son got paid for 6 hours by McDonalds recently when they asked him to complete a 3 hour Elfen Safety course in his own time at home.

Certainly teachers in my country get paid for doing Personal Development, and get time "off the roster" for it.

No, CX is definitely an outlier on this.

Did mine while enroute to CDG!

Poydras. So, what you mean is that you are happy to let yourself be distracted from flying the a/c, and also imply that CX doesn't need to roster you proper time on the roster to complete a work obligation. Idiot

What?!?

It's now distracting to study the aircraft manuals in the cruise? Are you joking? Can't read the news, can't read the manuals?? I hope you don't have a meal...

And, by the way, that's the only place that they are available to us.

I think you missed the point I was trying to make, regarding the bigger picture. Never mind. :ugh:

Perhaps by ending with "Idiot" for no apparent reason you lost the readership's will to delve for your inciteful wisdom. Have you said that to anyone in person recently?

Fact is Moley that the ONLY reading material allowed on the flight deck are Company publications so who are you calling an idiot?? Quiet periods with the other pilot minding the shop seems like the perfect time for some study. Why, anonymously, do you find it necessary to be so scathingly rude??:confused:

It would be the perfect time to do the quiz for many reasons......

If only I could just get motivated........

Haven't done it 2 years running.

Won't this year either.

Did a "Leary"

Turned it on, tuned in, dropped out.

Come on chaps. The only time to do it is in the cruise which passes the time away!

Nope, still not motivated. Maybe next month I'll do it at the last minute.
See how it goes...

Hi mngtmole
few years back you could have provoked me for such words.
Now I just forgive you.
Life is too short.....

The word 'idiot' was unnecessary I confess. The point I was trying to make is that we should receive credit for any and all work related tasks. Apologies for my comment. Cheers.

Mngtmole
Agree with you 100% on that.
Apologies received.No worries.

Tech Quiz
 

betpump5. You are absolutely correct. Modern aircraft do not have need of a Flight Engineer. That I concede, just as I concede that no F/E who is honest could claim that a computer is not able to better monitor all systems. That said however, I would suggest that in those aircraft in which the minimum crew was two pilots and one flight engineer, the f/e was an integral and appreciated member of the crew. You ask what the purpose of my post was. Well, I guess I am of the "old school" who believed that the company paid me a good salary, same as the F/O, because they thought we warranted it and most, if not all, F/E's and other cockpit crew were pretty satisfied with our lot. We also possessed a sense of loyalty to our employer. It seems to me that many of those who post on this forum are not really satisfied or happy with CX as an employer. I also suggest that most of those belly-aching would do so no matter for whom they worked. If the cap fits, wear it. What you may think of me is of no consequence, just as I guess my thoughts of you are of no concern to you. I know I worked for a great outfit when employed by CX and I have nothing but fond memories of HK & CX. I hope you leave with the same opinions when your time to quit comes.