And now it's Manchester.....
 

CX to close Manchester....but all done in Good Faith!


Thanks and good night.

Frankfurt next.

In that case bye bye Cathay...

Negotiations
 

Is it me or does the negotiations process seem like a LOFT?

CX is the sim instructor from hell.

Classic.

Apparently, Manchester is the most dangerous city in the UK and the biggest city for gangsters in Europe.

41 Tips on Manchester Warnings or Dangers - Stay Safe!

Cannot....!! :}

Gee....this won't delay my command...

I am SURE more bases will open..

Great timing, as the bids for LON based deadline had just passed. MAN based FOs particularly screwed over. Well GMA once again shown your true colors.

Sorry to hear it guys - best of luck to you & yours.

Where have the company declared this? The GMA update would have been the logical method of declaring this. Are any slots being offered in Base Area as they did during the AMS closure? Guess the reason for doing this is that they have little demand for freight captains in UK .....

I feel sorry for those crew on the MAN freighter base who thought they were going to slip over to a future MAN passenger base out of seniority.

Classy broadband, really classy!:ugh:

Broadband-

You Sir are a #$@t!

zero sympathy
 

Sorry but I have zero sympathy for DEC's and/or DEFO's that chose a position out of seniority.

You knew it was a non-HKG base and you knew what you were signing up for I'm afraid....enough said

Cmon, this is totally unfair. Most of the MAN guys are Ex-Dragon Air.. They were based in Manchester before Cathay decided to buy their employer.

I have zero sympathy for people that have zero sympathy.

More so when they choose to dislike strangers for doing what was on offer because it might have inconvenienced them. It is an irrational dislike of the innocent and will not do.

Blutack. You are exactly the kind of moron this company relies on to keep the pilots bickering amongst themselves.

"Dear Sir,
You are offered a position as .........."

'Um.... no thanks, I'd rather you hire me as a training bond slave SO"

Guys looking for a job take the best of whats offered. If you have a problem with the company, then take it up with the company!

Bravo Spud and Bm
 

It's so easy for them to cast their angst with a plastic keypad. I've probably flown with these tools that only have the balls to say such things on line. Way to puff your chests.
To think the people just being hired know all of the ins and outs of this job is ludicrous. When I was offered a base (yes, DEFO and happy I never had to live in the 300 sq foot hole your in now) it was never even mentioned to me that being forced to HKG was a possibility. If it ever comes to that, I will have a hard decision to make. But you can bet your ass I will never relish in other peoples plight the way you do.

I'm happy to be on a base, and I'm happy to not be you!

Zero sympathy
 

I also have zero sympathy for those that have zero sympathy. We should be learning from the mistakes of the past and trying to avoid repeating them. This involves trying to protect every job, and every attempt to victimise groups whoever they may be. The announcement of the base closure after the LHR bid had closed was a cynical move by our new GMA (manager is a much abused title in this case). This ensures that all the grief is far removed from HK and comments such as the "zero sympathy" ensure that we fight amongst ourselves.

blutack, you are truly the LCD and just the sort of pilot that the GMA prays for.

Please clarify. His statement:
suggests that he/she is the sort of pilot that despises seniority abuse and contract abuse by the company. Hardly the sort of pilot I would've though GMA would be praying for.

Look forward not back
 

The GMA wants us to dwell on the past and all the things that divide us. Whereas we need to learn from the past and strive to improve things..

Simple.

Correct. Guess what most pilots will do though.

Dear go43andrti

"Ive probably flown with these tools that only have the balls to say such things on line."

If you had flown with me when I was on the 744 then yes I would have and used to say something. Many a time I was the most senior on the flight deck when flying the crap freighter. Thank goodness those days are over!

"To think the people just being hired know all of the ins and outs of this job is ludicrous. When I was offered a base (yes, DEFO and happy I never had to live in the 300 sq foot hole your in now) it was never even mentioned to me that being forced to HKG was a possibility."

I was also offer a DEFO and I turned it down and took the full package as a DESO. Yes you did know what you were signing up for, and if you didnt well you didnt do your due diligence. Thank goodness for my choosing to be based in HK, I have recently sold my first HK property which was 1300sqft (not your fictitious 300sqft) and I made around $687,000USD.

"I'm happy to be on a base, and I'm happy to not be you!"

I am also very happy not to be you!

Again EVERYONE who joined down the DEFO or jumped seniority for a command knew what they were getting into I'm afraid.

It's a HK airline which is based in HK, not Manchester.

See you all in HK.

Blutak,
Life is not about money and apartments. Hope one day you will understand that. Also, quit with the hate inside you. It is not good for your health ( liver especially). No I am not a MAN based guy buy I flew with a lot of them and they are for the most part fine individuals.
Go and have a drink and relax

Blutak DEFO= Expat conditions if returning to HKG you muppet.

Blutack
 

Man you need to chill, you have so much anger and hatred in you.

No doubt to had to give half the property profit to your ex-wife. I would like to think that there is no place in a flt deck for you, but you no doubt you just sit and squirm and fester over your failed upgrade. Good luck to you buddy, you need it.

@positionalpor "Life is not about money and apartments."
Exactly, life is about choices...choosing to join a company which is not based in Manchester, and then complaining that it's closing..well not sure what to say.

@kmagyoyo "Blutak DEFO= Expat conditions if returning to HKG you muppet."
Not sure what your point is here. If you are a freighter captain NO you don't get expat conditions. Its a flat crappy housing rate.:sad:

@Chaac "No doubt to had to give half the property profit to your ex-wife."
Same not sure where this is going, but NO not divorced (yet). See no relevance to what this threat is about.

Its a matter of SENIORITY! And hopefully fixing some of those past errors!!!

Basically a base is closing where the company has never been based from. Its a HK airline, you knew this when joining. You also knew that you were taking a "fast track" command or FO position. Suck it up and enjoy the fact you had a good 6 years at the position.

But please don't expect to be coming to HK with pilots with open arms...its just not going to happen.

You could not be coming to HK in a more pilot disillusioned time. Everyone is pi$$ed off and having you seniority jumping w@nkers coming here...well lets just say I'm glad I'm not you. :E

It would appear the blu-tacky is not content with being merely wrong on most counts... he also feels he has to be an @$$hole about it, too.

:ugh:

So Pprune, which is normally full of sarcastic, argumentative Cx pilots hating on this group or that group, and never seemingly happy about anything are actually ganging up and and criticizing someone for being harsh on Pprune and saying we all work for the same team? WTF is happening?

Blutac
 

Point is you are a sad failed tos@er, those on the MAN base are all professionally qualified aviators, unlike you.

Vent your anger on management, if you dare, or just pis@ off elsewhere, do everyone a favour.

"Again EVERYONE who joined down the DEFO or jumped seniority for a command knew what they were getting into I'm afraid."

You can be 'afraid' of that you want. When I interviewed I was asked if i was willing to move to Hong Kong. My answer was a resounding NO! Not a 'maybe', not an 'it depends', it was a NO. So feel free to cast your 'I"m afraid' where ever you like, just not towards me. :=

Call this a 'hong kong' airline all you want, the fact is, it's a global airline. I don't live in Hong Kong, I don't pay Hong Kong tax and I'm paid by a company outside Hong Kong.

If you had in fact spoke up and pointed out how all the based people you were flying with were 'out of seniority' (btw, you need to be schooled on what out of seniority means), you'd be the first and only one to do so. I'm 'afraid' you probably don't have anybody to back this story though, right? One thing I must agree with you on, is the "thank goodness those days are over" statement. We have a lot of very good guys on the 'crap freighter' (built in 2014 and is the most advanced, largest, fastest and most efficient plane we own now) and you being on it would just bring the bar down. So yes, thank goodness!

"I was also offer a DEFO and I turned it down and took the full package as a DESO"

Really? :D
We need to meet you then! I always long to met someone with high moral standard just like yours. It will be encouraging to all of us.

@ main_dog

"It would appear the blu-tacky is not content with being merely wrong on most counts... he also feels he has to be an @$$hole about it, too."

No idea what this means, come up with an argument instead of a simplistic slander perhaps?

@chaac

"Point is you are a sad failed tos@er, those on the MAN base are all professionally qualified aviators, unlike you."

I would like to think we are all trained to a standard at CX. So not sure what ur talking about here.

"Vent your anger on management, if you dare, or just pis@ off elsewhere, do everyone a favour."

Management wouldn't want to hear it. They would like to hear if more pilots would work for less...especially if that means taking a cheap command on a freighter!

@Go43andrti

"When I interviewed I was asked if i was willing to move to Hong Kong. My answer was a resounding NO!"

Well guess that was a bad decision...in hindsight?

"Call this a 'hong kong' airline all you want, the fact is, it's a global airline."

Umm that's weird statement have u read CX history, it IS a HK airline u dumb@ass.

"If you had in fact spoke up and pointed out how all the based people you were flying with were 'out of seniority' (btw, you need to be schooled on what out of seniority means), you'd be the first and only one to do so. I'm 'afraid' you probably don't have anybody to back this story though, right? One thing I must agree with you on, is the "thank goodness those days are over" statement. We have a lot of very good guys on the 'crap freighter' (built in 2014 and is the most advanced, largest, fastest and most efficient plane we own now) and you being on it would just bring the bar down. So yes, thank goodness!"

This statement has no meaning (apart from crap freighter...which has nothing to do with the type of aircraft, only the substandard junior roster) just a personal attack.

@positionalpor

"Really?
We need to meet you then! I always long to met someone with high moral standard just like yours."
Nothing to do with moral, just life choices. But I'm happy to meet, I will be at the mariners club for the AoA meeting.

But guess all you junior captain non-HK based pilots may not be able to make it??

Blutak-

You should change your screen name to schadenfreude. You stay classy San Diego!

** Sitting back eating popcorn and enjoying the show **

This is classic!

...no, what this is is utterly self defeating. Please guys, put a cork in it. The ones really sitting down with popcorn are the GMA, DFO and the like. Enough already. We have far bigger enemies to confront than to allow ourselves to descend to infighting. Grow up...please.

Trafalgar.

Apologies, was just trying to lighten it up. You're right but in all honesty it's all HK Pilots have ever been good at - Fighting with each other. :-(

....yup, can't argue with that observation.

...and eating their young...:ouch:

"You may not like the guys flying with you, they may not like you. But whose side are you on?" - Iceman (1986)

Fac6
 

I think you'll find that it was 1985.

However, you are correct in the respect of 'whose side are you on?'