Chaac, the official release date was 16 May 1986 :-)

Fac6
 

Oops, I am wrong, I must be getting old.

...and at the risk of dragging this thread back to the base closure shall we not forget that there are capable and professional colleagues of ours that are facing huge upheaval in their lives and those of their families. Dare I say it, irrespective of their seat, contract or their company name (as it may have been) when they joined.

@positionalpor

"Life is not about money and apartments."

Agree. its about stoping people screwing each other over (short and long term).

"No I am not a MAN based guy buy I flew with a lot of them and they are for the most part fine individuals."

Nothing to do with how fine they are it's a matter of seniority.

@chaac

Point is you are a sad failed tos@er, those on the MAN base are all professionally qualified aviators, unlike you.

That makes no sense, but it has nothing to do with professionalism, it's a matter if seniority...to$$er.

@syberfuchs

"Blutak.... Tread carefully chum, we're on the same team. "

No we are not, if we were there wouldn't be an issue.

"FYI:
Cadets signed up for zero housing and now they have HKPA.
iCadets signed up for HKPA and now scream poverty."

Yes you are right, blow wind up them.

"90% of us signed Fly to 55 and yet now can fly to 65 (at the expense of slower Commands for the rest)"

Yep agree I didn't sign terminally ill age 65.

"Gloating about $$ is just poor form, old boy."

Not relevant

@XRF8

"we need to learn from the past and strive to improve things"

No we don't we know what they were doing at the time was wrong. It's a netter of pilots not allowing anymore freebies...e.g. NO existing freighter captain transfers to HK!!!! You want to come to HK join back in seniority. Simple

@Fac6

"Who's side are you on"

The side of seniority.

@JSB

"they are capable and professional colleagues of ours"

no one has said or implied they are not professional. It's about out of seniority positions.

"that are facing huge upheaval in their lives and those of their families."

Yes this is a sad reality of taking a position 'out of the normal Hk base, and out of seniority etc. which they knew was a threat when they joined

I presume, Blutack, that the reason you worship seniority is that unlike most of our friends at Manchester, your seniority and length of service are the same. Lucky you. Sadly, it seems to give you the justification to be heartless toward brother pilots whose service began the decade before last and are now facing terrible consequences through no fault of their own.
How about we support them? They already have knives in their backs, try to avoid the temptation to twist them.

X Blutack,
You already answer to my post previously, why do it again? Onset of Alzahimer?
I highly doubt you were offered a DEFO and opted out to " respect" a seniority list.
In any case we don' t care about what you did. If you propose yourself like that you will never find a fellow pilot on your side when you need it.


Ps: life is not about money mate. If you see what I see in the morning when I wake up your 647.000 won' t be enough..........

Blutack
 

I dont understand why you are so petulant.

The MAN guys are mostly ex KA given the option to continue in MAN for CX and join the bottom of the CX seniority list ( From your previous posts I am assuming that you don't know that).

If you have flown with MAN crew then you are a 400 pilot, HK based and an obvious low reactor, blames others for your own inability in the flt deck, I have a good idea who you are. You love the idea of seniority as it has nothing to do with meritocracy, the 2 should go hand in glove, but not for you. The co loves people like you, spouting venom and trying unsuccessfully to further divide the pilot group.

The MAN guys need all our support, but I think that the end of the day CX will lose another 30+ experienced aviators.

Well said Chaac,

Care to post your thoughts on who Blutack is??

Unfortunately for all Based crew, Cathay has the Paris model whereby they shut the place and give 40 plus families 10 weeks to move or leave. No compassion, even in the most extreme circumstances - just move to Hong Kong or sod off with three months notice.
Guess what - everybody moved! So now they have added that to their armoury. They did try to mitigate the Manchester problem by converting all Capts to RHS but that obviously didn't work. Now we hear that Etihad may take them all but I worry that (a) that will help not hurt Cathay and (b) the guys might be leaping from the frying pan into the fire.
Notwithstanding all the above, it's a truism that if, for any reason, a Base doesn't work out - even if it fails because of Cathay's appalling cheapskate setup schemes - they will close it at will and bring you all back to HKG on the most minimal terms or fire you. You have been warned!

Now you see it...
 

To those of Bluies ilk I would wake up. If CX succeed in forcing another group to HK on an underhand cheap skate deal it will merely add to the numbers not on the full Expat package...


If I was them when it comes to a vote I guess an increase in HKPA will do nicely when they take away your housing...that time must be accelerating closer in CX's devious minds with every day that passes.


Good luck to all.

Reprieve
 

I'm hearing that MAN base has got a twelve month reprieve. Have they learnt that closing a base is not that easy in countries that have proper employment law?

The UK has some laws, none that stop redundancies though!

Maybe an issue with the recent slots in LON whilst at the same time announcing redundancies in MAN. My bet is they will allow the managers who are going to LON to take up a base go there then in 12 months close MAN and problem solved.

See what happens when the HKAOA isn't involved? Stuff gets done.

Well done MAN boys, finally a bunch of guys with strong solidarity and seniority principles, willing to stand up to CX. And where was the HKAOA? At their Swire allotted ski chalets no doubt.

superfrozo.
I always try to stop short of personal abuse both in person and online but have decided to make an exception this time. You are an idiot.

Perhaps my satire was a little too obtuse. I am an idiot LDL, but not for the reasons you think!

:}

Actually, as a (now ten kilograms lighter) MAN-based boy, all I can say Superfrozo is, you're wrong.

MD

Idiot Count
 

Agreed:-

"Idiot"...2

:* Apologies for my duff fundar! :O

Wait, now I'm confused as usual. WN and MD, which is it I'm an idiot for: the misinterpreted satire or the actual satirical inference??

I knew I should have gone with sarcasm, hyperbole or litotes :hmm: