why bother to save $$$
 

Why bother to save $$$ when Cathay throw it away regardless?? Several cases (Confirmed) of people offering to stay on the freighter and PX to wherever and save $$$..but cannot ,

Case1: operate ANC - JFK px back to ANC...offered to stay on freighter, Crew control "Cannot, you have not signed the letter" so taxi to hotel, overnight + allowances, taxi to Newark $1200 Ticket to ANC

Case 2: Arrive ATL aircraft to op to YVR, YVR Capt offers to stay on the freighter and PX home........."Cannot, you have not signed the letter" $550 ticket ATL-YVR


Mr.Herpes needs his ass kicking............................those are just 2 of many examples, all to prove a point or what ???

I was told by someone rather close to the "situation" the bottom line is that ego's have been damaged, and they are taking their toys and going home. Money doesn't matter, it's all ego, and control.

Trademarking the word "man-tantrum".

Get on the Cathay train.

Don't feed THE troll. Let him suffer under the pressure and financial malfeasance of his own decisions. Rumour has it that he is not long in his present post. Army sergeants have no business working in FOP. Back to the station, wannabe Swire Prince.

777 guys also wondering why they now PX back EY on KA after delivering A/C to XMN, with 5-20 seats avail in J (dependent on A/C type).

Poor babies, try Y in Alsakan from ORD to ANC.


The Cav:cool:

Who is the troll?

Who's leaving?

Hoytwat?

MORE STUPIDITY
 

Crew in sub continent sent to the hotel.....allowances......room costs....PX to HKG then PX to the UK. Lost Productivity,..... when if an equitable agreement was struck the crew would PX straight to UK?????

Every other dept is trying to SAVE MONEY AND REDUCE COSTS and because of a hissy fit by seemingly a single manager....suddenly cost is not a consideration so long as the crew can be jerked around to the maximum inconvenience to prove a point.

Surley the CEO cannot be aware of this bizarre corporate behaviour. It simply makes a mockery of trying to save a bit of gas here and there.

SAME TEAM......DIFFERENT DREAMS

You're right Cav they should just sign the freighter PX deal, that way they won't have to complain. :ugh:

Single engine taxi to save fuel
 

Taxi on one engine seems another joke attempt to save money. Talk with ATC management first. Cut out all holding speed reduction 4 hour 48 minute delays extra nights accommodation due to outrageous delays. etc

If you are in the left seat, this reply is for you: shouldn't have joined the freighter fleet then. You got your early command, ahead of many who are senior to you. Go back as a FO on the pax fleet or stop whining. Thank you and goodnight.

Bobrun

A bit of a simplistic overview me thinks???
Not sure who you are referring to but, the question to be asked is, why did those "many who are senior to you" not take up the freighter command themselves. Answer, probably cos they didn't want to. Its a system problem, not the individual...so stop whining. Thank you goodnight :rolleyes:

Yep. Didn't want to.

Why? Because it would undermine my colleagues.

Being Asian I don't expect you to understand.

if you were on the 777, and you might be, would you take a right to left seat command course if it was offered to you tomorrow?

your choice, no argument.

not if they made the same choice as you surely. They/you have, like it or not under the given circumstances, given it away after deciding it was not for them / you??? Individual choice no??

assumptions are the the mother of all F....ups! :cool:

Treybor.....bet he would :ugh:

If you can't see how you've undermined your colleagues I'm glad you're only flying boxes around.

And that inferior package you're on is probably appropriate compensation.

No, sorry..I'm not getting your argument since you haven't really given us any reason as to why that is so.
The offer was on the table, some said yes others said no. You weren't going to change COS no matter how hard you tried and saying no to any offer was certainly not going to strengthen anyones position. In fact an optimist might say that with people taking early Freight Command, it may have moved people up the list for Pax command..albeit limited I agree.

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Nope I'm full board and lodging, but thanks for your concern :ok:

This makes absolutely no sense. How can people taking a command out of seniority move others up. It has exactly the opposite effect for those senior to the early freighter commander and no effect to those junior to them.

I guess you have to be pretty stupid to think early freighter commands are a good thing, that statement proves it. I have nothing against those who opted to take them but think it never should have been an option.

Agree, it should never have been an option. In any case, if you chose that option and took the early command, my point is that nobody want to hear any whining from you now. As pointed out earlier, you made your choice, now live with it.

And to insinuate that early command may have had a positive impact on time to command for others.....if that was the case, then I'd want everybody below me on the seniority list to get their command ahead of me. You can't be serious. Who are you trying to convince?

oh for crying out loud!
people who took early Freight command, DONT come across until there PAX seniority dictates AND they have done there 3 years...so no loss to those who DONT want Freight command..surely???

So by moving out of PAX seniority early, you give the next guy an early shot at PAX command ....albeit, as stated earlier, with limitations to this idea.

I never said it was right, but it was reality!:ugh:

The freight only guys do us a favour, how many 2-3 sector night flights start after 10pm? Many of which are crewed by the based freighter only CNs, there would be many more ready to leave the B747 fleet if the roster was mainly this. The FOs can at least see light at the end of the tunnel.

Judging by the above rants some have never crewed a NA pattern with the inevitable delays, long days, fatigue and then expected to wait 4 hours for an 8 hour Y class seat.

Give your colleges a break, if your frustrated because you fly with a sidestick vent your anger elsewhere.

My 1st post as a newbie, just joined cx and there are two companies at dispatch those who fly boeing and those flying airbus. Why are you such angry? ignorant flyers or is a nationality thing time to move on from 89

Sorry about the thread hijack
 

Do all these FIGJAMS "wowing" us with their knowledge of the 3 times table know they are sending their company emails to the entire pilot group?

I suspect they are good at multiplying by 3, but Shiite at email skills. Perhaps they need to have a quiet chat to an I-cadet and get some counselling on emailing skills:eek:

And no I don't need a discussion on descent management- thanks, I have some eyeballs to pop-out with a burnt stick.

I think that they probably do, Liam.

Everybody that I know has had trouble getting a certain person to respond to any emails at all. I think it is great that everyone is getting these messages, from the very top down: that way they can see the ineffectiveness of their manger (sic) and of the pilots' opinion of him and of the system.

If you are not based, Liam, then they plainly don't apply to you.

Was that last "here, here" (sic) a piss take or was he being serious (don't know the individual)??

Maybe not everyone is getting these emails because I sense Chinaflyer has not read them.

I am not sure if the "here here" was a p!ss-take or a kiss-@rse, but I am sure it was a waste of 15 secs of life that I won't get back...... Kind of like reading this post:hmm:

It is good to read the long sleevers' replies to what basically amounts to instructions on egg sucking.

I was so tempted to write to FOPDL ... ie the whole pilot body ..

"You know what chaps I am so fantastic at what I do, no one else can match me. I do find it boring watching the rest of you trying to emulate me and failing so dismally. Anyone requiring any tips ....do please get in touch so that I can bore you to death regarding how awesome I am"

...... un .... be .... frinkin ..... believable!!!! This is CX training at it's finest

What I found totally hilarious is that I have flown with one of those email FIGJAM's.........One of the worst operators I have sat next to.:ugh::ugh::ugh:

I can't believe our respective Fleet Offices sit by and let a few SkyGods be so utterly condescending and nauseating to the WHOLE of the pilot body.
My inclination on the flightdeck to someone telling me I wasn't as good at my 3X table as he was would be to tell him to :mad: off.
Their wives must be so thankful that they spend half the month away from home!!:ok:

Sorry I must chip in
 

Many of those replies are completely justified.
Thank heavens some of our Snr pilots have the balls to voice important opinion (while giving their names unlike on here) not only directly to our managers but also to the wider pilot body. This way to drum up abit of opposition to what is becoming a 'loss' of a major controlling , decision making aspect of our profession.

It is a real worry is this complex world of Aviation where the new buss word in 6th generation CRM is resilience engineering. (creating buffer ie time = extra fuel ) that we at cx are infact doing the opposite. It's only a matter of time before a mayday.. min fuel ends up in trouble.

Fuel is expensive thats why the punters pay a high priced ticket, many of those in the front end are also cost sensitive and choose cx for good value. They need to get to xyz at the said time to attend meetings the same day. They do not want to end up in zyx because Cpt 'BT' has decided to take less than CFP. To drum up his ego... How selfish. It's a worry that he is in close liaison with PE on the issue.

If Cx are really that concerned about fuel there are 100s of other ways to lobby and reorganise things to mitigate. yes and 3 times tbl sadly is one of them. But most of them are under Cx control. So stop messing with the pilots and focus on bigger issues in the mean time.

Our job is complicated enought, and when ur fagitued at the end of the flt & things go wrong. The last thing u need to have hanging round your neck is the worry of running out of fuel / time and be pressured into making loads of mistakes.

Ie HKG! India airspace when the wx is s..t!

So guys grow some and reply to those emails,, here here at the least, if u not articulate enought to voice a constructive argument.

and while I hold the conch, lets put some of the differences between us aside and stand together against our oppressors.

Before we get fragmented and become hopeless with all this in fighting as in lord of the flies.

Another Ton for Mum! :ok:

Whatever happened to Capt Toss Parker?? I miss his witty take on life.

Please come back Toss!!

Didn't see the "email"???

Who wrote it. A manger or a regular STC?

Crewsunite, is that prick Capt "BT" (misty) still taking off fuel?

I'm gunna load extra fuel "just because..."

Very often CFP including new Rec Extra is still not adequate

Fill 'er up

Do we get to keep the greenshield stamps then?