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why bother to save $$$

Old 11th May 2013, 05:35
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why bother to save $$$

Why bother to save $$$ when Cathay throw it away regardless?? Several cases (Confirmed) of people offering to stay on the freighter and PX to wherever and save $$$..but cannot ,

Case1: operate ANC - JFK px back to ANC...offered to stay on freighter, Crew control "Cannot, you have not signed the letter" so taxi to hotel, overnight + allowances, taxi to Newark $1200 Ticket to ANC

Case 2: Arrive ATL aircraft to op to YVR, YVR Capt offers to stay on the freighter and PX home........."Cannot, you have not signed the letter" $550 ticket ATL-YVR


Mr.Herpes needs his ass kicking............................those are just 2 of many examples, all to prove a point or what ???
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Old 11th May 2013, 05:59
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I was told by someone rather close to the "situation" the bottom line is that ego's have been damaged, and they are taking their toys and going home. Money doesn't matter, it's all ego, and control.

Trademarking the word "man-tantrum".

Get on the Cathay train.

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Old 11th May 2013, 06:16
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Don't feed THE troll. Let him suffer under the pressure and financial malfeasance of his own decisions. Rumour has it that he is not long in his present post. Army sergeants have no business working in FOP. Back to the station, wannabe Swire Prince.

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Old 11th May 2013, 13:54
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777 guys also wondering why they now PX back EY on KA after delivering A/C to XMN, with 5-20 seats avail in J (dependent on A/C type).
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Old 11th May 2013, 19:50
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Poor babies, try Y in Alsakan from ORD to ANC.


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Old 12th May 2013, 00:25
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Who is the troll?

Who's leaving?

Hoytwat?
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Old 14th May 2013, 15:12
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MORE STUPIDITY

Crew in sub continent sent to the hotel.....allowances......room costs....PX to HKG then PX to the UK. Lost Productivity,..... when if an equitable agreement was struck the crew would PX straight to UK?????

Every other dept is trying to SAVE MONEY AND REDUCE COSTS and because of a hissy fit by seemingly a single manager....suddenly cost is not a consideration so long as the crew can be jerked around to the maximum inconvenience to prove a point.

Surley the CEO cannot be aware of this bizarre corporate behaviour. It simply makes a mockery of trying to save a bit of gas here and there.

SAME TEAM......DIFFERENT DREAMS
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Old 14th May 2013, 18:59
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Poor babies, try Y in Alsakan from ORD to ANC.
You're right Cav they should just sign the freighter PX deal, that way they won't have to complain.
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Old 18th May 2013, 04:32
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Single engine taxi to save fuel

Taxi on one engine seems another joke attempt to save money. Talk with ATC management first. Cut out all holding speed reduction 4 hour 48 minute delays extra nights accommodation due to outrageous delays. etc
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Old 22nd May 2013, 00:08
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If you are in the left seat, this reply is for you: shouldn't have joined the freighter fleet then. You got your early command, ahead of many who are senior to you. Go back as a FO on the pax fleet or stop whining. Thank you and goodnight.
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Old 22nd May 2013, 02:07
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A bit of a simplistic overview me thinks???
Not sure who you are referring to but, the question to be asked is, why did those "many who are senior to you" not take up the freighter command themselves. Answer, probably cos they didn't want to. Its a system problem, not the individual...so stop whining. Thank you goodnight
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Old 22nd May 2013, 04:13
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Yep. Didn't want to.

Why? Because it would undermine my colleagues.

Being Asian I don't expect you to understand.
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Old 22nd May 2013, 04:26
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if you were on the 777, and you might be, would you take a right to left seat command course if it was offered to you tomorrow?
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Old 22nd May 2013, 04:28
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Yep. Didn't want to.
your choice, no argument.

Why? Because it would undermine my colleagues.
not if they made the same choice as you surely. They/you have, like it or not under the given circumstances, given it away after deciding it was not for them / you??? Individual choice no??

Being Asian I don't expect you to understand.
assumptions are the the mother of all F....ups!

Treybor.....bet he would

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Old 22nd May 2013, 09:51
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If you can't see how you've undermined your colleagues I'm glad you're only flying boxes around.

And that inferior package you're on is probably appropriate compensation.

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Old 22nd May 2013, 15:23
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If you can't see how you've undermined your colleagues I'm glad you're only flying boxes around.
No, sorry..I'm not getting your argument since you haven't really given us any reason as to why that is so.
The offer was on the table, some said yes others said no. You weren't going to change COS no matter how hard you tried and saying no to any offer was certainly not going to strengthen anyones position. In fact an optimist might say that with people taking early Freight Command, it may have moved people up the list for Pax command..albeit limited I agree.

And that inferior package you're on is probably appropriate compensation
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Nope I'm full board and lodging, but thanks for your concern
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Old 22nd May 2013, 16:17
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In fact an optimist might say that with people taking early Freight Command, it may have moved people up the list for Pax command..albeit limited I agree.
This makes absolutely no sense. How can people taking a command out of seniority move others up. It has exactly the opposite effect for those senior to the early freighter commander and no effect to those junior to them.

I guess you have to be pretty stupid to think early freighter commands are a good thing, that statement proves it. I have nothing against those who opted to take them but think it never should have been an option.
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Old 22nd May 2013, 18:17
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Agree, it should never have been an option. In any case, if you chose that option and took the early command, my point is that nobody want to hear any whining from you now. As pointed out earlier, you made your choice, now live with it.

And to insinuate that early command may have had a positive impact on time to command for others.....if that was the case, then I'd want everybody below me on the seniority list to get their command ahead of me. You can't be serious. Who are you trying to convince?
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Old 23rd May 2013, 00:48
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oh for crying out loud!
people who took early Freight command, DONT come across until there PAX seniority dictates AND they have done there 3 years...so no loss to those who DONT want Freight command..surely???

So by moving out of PAX seniority early, you give the next guy an early shot at PAX command ....albeit, as stated earlier, with limitations to this idea.

I never said it was right, but it was reality!
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Old 23rd May 2013, 02:02
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The freight only guys do us a favour, how many 2-3 sector night flights start after 10pm? Many of which are crewed by the based freighter only CNs, there would be many more ready to leave the B747 fleet if the roster was mainly this. The FOs can at least see light at the end of the tunnel.

Judging by the above rants some have never crewed a NA pattern with the inevitable delays, long days, fatigue and then expected to wait 4 hours for an 8 hour Y class seat.

Give your colleges a break, if your frustrated because you fly with a sidestick vent your anger elsewhere.
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