" nice home in a nice place ", you're obviously not talking about HK

Obviously. And certainly not on C scale/10K/24K housing.

Well at least CX pays 75%. Pity the other local airline pilots who get ZERO.

:{

I don't pity anyone who signed a contract, just to be sure have they removed housing from the contract you signed with the other airline in HKG? If they have that is terrible and you should fight to get it back or leave. If it was never there in the first place :confused:

Turnandburn
 

Hopefully you got your kids a better education than yours. Try "their":{:{:{

Learn to read, we did the research, we applied when we had too, our kids have not failed there interviews, they have not been offered interviews. Going by your argument because an apartment was brought during SARS for 2mil a new joiner today could buy the same one for 2mil.... Times change and regarding schooling if you read any newspaper you will read that only in the last 12-18 months the schools have become extremely overfilled, so of course hundreds of pilots before us have not had an issue but from the PMs I have received it definitely is now.

Last time I checked ESF nor other schools accepted bribes so unless you think paying a 400000 debenture at discovery college is what we should all be doing to get our kids into school then you are as self-conceited as you come across.

Regarding selection at ESF they use a lottery system to select candidates for interviews we hand delivered our applications on the first day they were open.

So if you don't like the current RP's, or housing do you just pack up and go home or do you raise the subject so that it can be addressed, my post is aimed at getting further evidence of others in the same situation so we can maybe convince the AOA and the company this is an issue.

Thanks for the PMs please keep them coming.

Hypothetically.....

If you did convince the company that it is an issue, what is the solution?

i.e.
What is the next step, and the step after that?
What do you want the company to do with regards to the HK Schooling system?

(not having a go if you're trying to read tone into this post, am I very interested in this subject)

Good question,

There are a number of issues, the ESF was always the affordable choice ie you were always certain of getting into the likes of Kowloon junior (this school being in our zone, to date we are 430 on the list, their are 90 siblings this year to be placed at KJS for 160 slots) , it is 90% covered with no capital fees or debenture. Now this choice is closed unless lucky enough to be selected for an interview one has to look at either paying a 400000 debenture for the likes of discovery college(non refundable) or go to a school with high fees and a capital levy on top of the fees.(Cx don't include capital levies in there fees.)

Possible solution options
Provide 90% for any school as the choice of Esf has been taken away
Include capital levies in the 90%
If the school offers a refundable debenture then provide an interest only loan.
If the school offers a non refundable debenture, then offer an interest free loan for full amount not just the current 30k,

This would allow people to look at other options out of ESF system.

flyingkiwi
 

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

THEIR!!!!!

//////////.

Flyingkiwi
 

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

This one should be "there".

Ironic that the thread on schooling shows that nobody knows the difference between "there" and "their".

I think the point is that pilots want to send there kids to better schools than wot we went to.

If you want to reproduce, how about you take care of your kids' education yourself, just like everyone else has to? I don't see why it is the company's or the AOA's responsibility to ensure your descendents receive the expensive and private education of your liking.

The company has a policy with good and bad points, just like all their policies, that may or may not suit your personal choices and circumstances. Deal with matters as per the policy or find another company with a policy that suits you. If you think a policy change is in order and a properly documented campaign for change has any hope of success, I suggest that Pprune is not the proper avenue.

Also, the more you reproduce, and the more you expect increasing sums of money from the company to fund your personal lifestyle decisions, the less profit the company will make. That means less money and profit for everyone else, particularly those who choose not to reproduce or do not have school-age kids in Hong Kong (approximately 50-75% of pilots?) so I am not convinced you would find much support to take more money from their pockets to put into yours.

I'd wouldn't class the ESF system as a Private School education.

A shortage to school positions is going to present a real issue to CX families in the future. We are only just seeing the beginning.

Iron skillet. I'm sorry to say so...your point is the most simplistic and dimmest point I have read on prune for a long time. I bet in your superficial life everything boil down to money! I really feel sorry for you and for your sad single life.

Strangely enough, when Airbus had problems with mobility of its own English speaking staff to Toulouse, they funded and built their own international school. So company intervention is not entirely without precedent. :cool:

Wow, who is this Iron Skillet guy? "Reproduce" man brother, get a life. They aren't reproductive cells, they are our kids. Every child we have is a gift from God. Deal with it.

"Bye Honey! I'm off to take our reproductions to School."

Butthead.

Well said ash,

Iron skillet is clearly a man who cannot reproduce.

IS, you really are a tool.

Well said Ash? Name calling and incorrect knowledge of science is rewarded with compliments?

1. All plants and animals reproduce. It's not rocket science, or a gift from whichever of the 2000+ gods man has created: It's just evolution. (Before anyone starts this again, any opposing personal opinion about evolution is as invalid and irrelevant as your opinion about gravity, atomic structure and heliocentrism, etc.)
2. Assumptions and opinions about my single vs. married status, reproductive history and reproductive capability are also irrelevant.
3. Were all child-free people living "superficial" lives until they reproduced, or after they discovered they were unable to reproduce? Your own life before kids, or if your kids died, or if you can't have any, had/has no value to you or others around you?
4. Is it only through reproduction that someone's life is elevated in value from such "superficial" lack of meaning as those who have not reproduced?
5. Yes, money can buy happiness: It buys shelter, nutrition, health care, entertainment and security. And yes, more money can buy more happiness, if the things you need and/or want for happiness cost money, and they all do. Note that I said "can buy happiness" which does not equal "will buy happiness." Conversely, a lack of money cannot buy happiness. I believe this thread contains several dollar amounts and the parents' concern over the cost of schooling.
6. Yes, my point was very simple: If you want to raise new humans, that is each person's choice and their responsibility. As a society, we have agreed to all share the financial burden of your choice to a large extent already. The company does provide some assistance at great cost that many do not benefit from in other ways, and in fact accept a financial burden in taxation and reduced profits. Choosing to leave your country (for money, incidentally...) and its social support network is also each individual's choice. Some relief is made available by the company, some is not. I say: Deal with it.
7. If the company has problems getting and retaining employees because of this issue, they will do something about it, as they do with housing in HKG (whichever deal, if it's enough for their plans, not yours).
8. Yes, like most with common sense, I am aware that reproductive cells are not kids, and that kids are not reproductive cells (other than before/at conception), but pairing up males and females to create new humans is certainly called reproduction (online dictionaries are available). Despite your apparent confusion and lack of scientific comprehension, even reproduced humans aren't any more of a gift from god (whichever you like to imagine) than the horse's or sparrow's or worm's or lobster's offspring (bacteria too!), no matter how much you love and want and enjoy your kids.
9. Are all the young soldiers coming home without genitals, and other victims of violence, disease or medical issues, also going to be called "Tools" and "Buttheads" and "superficial" by you guys, since they "obviously can't reproduce?"

Sounds to me like a whole bunch of people shouldn't be too proud of reproducing their genetic traits and are probably raising an entitled and mean generation of science deniers.

So, back to the school system and education allowance thing now?

Well, man brother, if that's true then Iron Skillet is by your definition also a "gift from god". So you should treat him with a bit more respect or god may get angry and send various plagues after you and your reproductions.