CX fatigue
 

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Nice pic :ugh:

Not very funny or clever of who-ever took the photo in the light of what damage photos have done in the very recent past.

And then to allow it to get into the wrong hands...

Idiots!

Yep, another first officer getting a basing back to his country of origin. Whether he wants it or not...

What a complete tool of an F/O. Wait...a tool is actually useful :mad:

I Agree 100%, but he might be a disgruntled S/O who's tired of doing fuel checks for the last 4 years.

Surprised that only 5% of pilots felt tired at the end of the flight.... Common sense would warrant at least a 6 or 7 on each form.... Why bother filling it out then

F_one
 

Perhaps...but either way, taking a photo like that and clearly "giving" it to that rag is cras...must have been a local. Cant imagine an expat F/O or S/O doing that, and I would be truly shocked if they did.

I am sure the skipper will probably recall the flight...and who the snitch was.

Bushcat
 

As I said, I agree with you 100%, I'm not for one moment defending what he did.
All I'm saying is that it can be either an F/O or S/O.
Hopefully the skipper doesn't get in any trouble and better yet, hopefully he names the idiot who must then be fired for taking pics on the flight deck whilst in control of the aircraft whilst the skipper was taking some controlled rest.

How do we know this pic was actually taken on a CX aircraft?? Because the journo says so...

Further if the guy in the LHS was not a captain the photographer couldn't have been an SO...

You must read Henry's pages of 'it's all your fault' clauses. That will make us all sleep better -secure in the knowledge that Cathay managers and crew control have this all fixed.
Fly safely - in spite of our gallant leaders. Actually - take a look at them. Apart from Hoey they all seem to be a perfect example of either the 'Peter principle ' or ' if you want it -you can have it' !

..or maybe this pic was taken in the time when the relief F/O used to sit in the left seat and the S/O in the right.

Well Frog;
 

bushcat 400,

I'm surprised the Moderator has allowed your redneck racially charged remark " it must have been a local " to stand. The sooner China thins out the ranks of well frogs like you the better off our society will be.

O.P.

All I can say is :zzz:

As far as I can tell there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that this picture was taken during flight.

It was probably taken during the second sector of this flight mentioned in the article -
"The pattern for another problem flight going from Colombo in Sri Lanka to Hong Kong via Hong Kong has been altered already because of fatigue problems and continues to be monitored, the analysis said."

Eh, what is the problem?

Taking a 40 minute cat nap, or multiples thereof, with pillows and blankets, are allowed by the SOP's.

How else do you cope with all the crap rostering?

If we go 3 crew ULH it will only get worse.

Or is the crime that the fare paying public have found out that one of the crew is asleep a lot of the time?

The truth doesn't like the light of day...

Ocean Person
 

There are still some trees left for you to go and hug :{ At least I am prepared to croak about the facts.
Doesn't matter where you go or who you work for, there is always some leftist-liberal-pinko lurking waiting to pop its head up. And since when is it racially charged to state a fact? a local is a local. Go crawl up Beijing's backside, clearly where you belong :ugh:

Ocean Person
 

The sooner the "snitch" is found out the better. :mad:
Wait...was it you? :E

On a more serious note; my question is, why isn't he wearing his pyjamas?:E

I agree with you Bob.

Stupid
 

I can't believe I'm in the same company as people so stupid. There will be an absolute witch hunt on this one, has it been in the Sarf Chyna yet?

For the guy with the camera in the cockpit, or the guy taking his sanctioned controlled rest?

Hold on a minute
 

Why are we automatically blaming the FO's or SO's?

Very likely a photo taken by a checker on a recent line check.

God knows they carry on some time.....

So Bloggs, what is the secondary effect of turning that switch from the 10 o'clock position to the 12 o'clock......

Zzzzzzzzz

Whilst just about all of you on this thread are carrying on like a bunch of...well.... catty cabin crew! :rolleyes: , about who took what photo and when, it seems the bigger issue has been missed.

HOLEY :mad: THERE IS A DUDE ASLEEP ON THE FLIGHT DECK!!

We've got other stuff to worry about. Our esteemed manager is quoted as saying
"Pilots on 5.6 per cent of flights returned a Samn-Perelli score of five or greater, which in a circular to crew, General Manager Flying Henry Craig described as "very encouraging".

The problem chaps is the roster is :mad:, FTL's are being attacked, and we all just keep on rocking up to work knackered and the management are now on record as saying being on the tired side of the scale at work is cool :eek:

Pull your heads in and focus :*

"The problem chaps is the roster is http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...s/censored.gif, FTL's are being attacked, and we all just keep on rocking up to work knackered and the management are now on record as saying being on the tired side of the scale at work is cool http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/sr...milies/eek.gif"

"Pull your heads in and focus"

asianeagle

I couldn't agree more we have lost focus we just accept what ever CX throws our way and do little to improve rosters, ftl's ect...

Pull your heads in and focus
 

I agree brothers and sisters, it's time to get serious. Let's form a committee to discuss it.

Motion 1: To form a committee

Those in favour of joining the "Popular Peoples Flight Time Front" say aye.

Bloody Cathay...what they ever do for us?! :E

Thats what happens
 

I don't see why everyone is so upset by this photo. In seat rest is part of our SOP's. And that's exactly what it looks like. Usually a pillow and blanket as well.

But what ever you do, don't let anyone tuck you in!

Datsun120Y

You are an idiot

Sorry, GHE

He's not an idiot. The knob that took the photo and then allowed it to get into the public domain is the idiot.

We are all aware of the absolute garbage that the SCMP writes and once they get hold of this it will be no different.

What was the photographer thinking when he took the photo? There are aspects to our job that no outsider has a right or a need to know about. The fact that 'controlled rest' is an accepted and practIced technique to cope with the excessive fatigue that is a part of our existence does not make it something we should turn into a tabloid sensation!

I hope the perpetrator is found out and summarily censured. And yes I would say that IMHO this is as heinous as the BJ debacle.

And don't forget that under the current regime the logical conclusion might be to ban controlled rest altogether lest another idiot let's the press know what we do in order to function!

Good luck banning it, anyone one with half an iota knows its usefulness to mitigate fatigue, but really, this is a T8 in a teacup.

Why hide
 

Without touching the politics of an identifiable photo publication issue.
Why hide from the public the fact that you are allowed to nap on the flight deck. When your company wants further relaxation ie longer FTl limits you have perfect material to argue against it. Why let the public be deluded into the fact that the current limits are not already extreme. I reckon publicize as much as you can. Your union isn't going to win this on it's own. It's only with greater public awareness that you will defeat any increase to your daily duty times.
Otherwise the next time they go for productivity increases, to the ignorant public it merely presents as you are paid well and the company wants greater productivity for your next tiny Payrise. The rest of the world goes "so what"
You may generate a slightly more positive reaction if you can promote the safety issue.

Who says the dude is sleeping?

I reckon he's studying the overhead panel trying to figure out the secondary effects of turning off all the hydraulic pumps.

+1 to Turbine Overheats post. Why is everyone so afraid to let the public see what is actually going on in the cockpit? When the rules are so ridiculous that we need to have rest on the flightdeck, the public has a right to know. Maybe then we will see some progress to the outdated crap that currently poses as duty time regulations.

Today's South China........

This is your captain sleeping ... | HK News Watch | Latest Hong Kong, China & World News | SCMP.com

Recollect one night the heavy crew FO couldn't sleep and came back to the flight deck, wearing baby doll pyjamas and perched on the middle jump seat with legs tucked up underneath.
Q: Why do I remember that so clearly?
A: She was a rather decent, tall, raven haired beauty.

Perhaps your jamies had little noddy land airplanes on them but you secretly always wanted your sisters jamies, which had baby dolls on them. At least he didn't turn up in his birthday suit. Bless his little Cathay cotton socks.

Yes, indeed. The result of thousands of Fatigue reports is that we have to do an online course in our own time, telling us to sleep more before duty. (Whilst nothing in the scheduling has changed).

We had to do a course? I must have been sleeping....