Wah poor me...
Zap:
Been there done that. If you stay on regional and never do red eyes then maybe your schedule is great compared to a mixed long haul red eye schedule. My point is it is all relative. I have worked regional schedules long days 5 sectors, 14 hour duty day 5 days a week, and was never as tired as I am doing long haul, regional mix. I cannot fathom why you would not sympathise with fatigue issues. Why would you not want to see the industry as a whole improve our safety margins by dealing with fatigue issues properly ? There have been numerous "east coast" accidents over the years where fatigue was not highlighted as a hole in the swiss cheese when it was probably one of the larger holes. So if you were serious about safety you would get on to the FAA and your pilot Union and change your work rules. IMHO fatigue is the largest safety issue we face in aviation today. If you think otherwise ZAP then you have not been in the game long enough. Cheers FG |
ZB
I still can't make up my mind about you but comments like: Nope, used to fly for a full service rinky dink legacy outfit With a name like yours I would think that you either see yourself as a revolutionary, a Zapatista if you like (which I doubt), or as someone with poor old Emiliano's blood on his hands, like Guajardo, who lured Zapata to his death by pretending to be something that he wasn't. Which is it in your case - pilot or management? Whatever, and not to be picky, but this thread started with some "schmuck" bleating about about how tiring a 12 hour 3 sector day would be, so get your facts right before you come up with your next accusation as to how soft another airline's crews are. STP |
Someone was telling me that a crew decided not to go into discretion. The captain was of course not queried and never heard from CC or management but that the F/O was called up for tea and biccies, the reasoning being that it is Commander's discretion and not F/O's discretion.
Sounds a bit suspect to me, even for our lot. Anyone heard similar? |
The crew decided not to go into discretion?
No, it is Commanders discretion. He evaluates how well rested/capable his crew is to complete the duty, and then he makes his decision.. full stop. When he asks you at dispatch how "busy" you are at the moment, or what time zone you are on, that is the opportunity to tell him what to expect from you. Note, CX expects that you must turn up fit and rested for the rostered duty. It is almost impossible for the Company to question the Commander on this decision. If anyone else from the crew is questioned, then their response should concentrate on this point, after calling the HKAOA. |
“I cannot fathom why you would not sympathise with fatigue issues.”
5 Green, again you are jumping onto arguments I have not made. I agree that fatigue is a huge issue, it has been in every airline I have worked for. I did not imply in ANY of my comments that it was not. Steve, mate, you’re a dill. “so get your facts right before you come up with your next accusation as to how soft another airline's crews are.” Mate, ahhh, what facts are you talking about. The main thrust of my post is not about fatigue, it never was. I am still laughing at this gem “they are either flying or doing paperwork/aircraft setup for the entire duty, even eating at the controls” I just love the eating at the controls bit. You’re an airline pilot, you spend your life sitting on your ass crapping on about how TT doesn’t know how to run an airline properly while eating as much food as the lovely ladies can bring you. Deal with it. Aint it a scam, and they pay us too. |
ZB,
You're not reading the posts! “so get your facts right before you come up with your next accusation as to how soft another airline's crews are.” Mate, ahhh, what facts are you talking about. Here's a hint You wrote, It started with some schmuck bleating about how tiring a 6 hour 3 sector day would be. Whatever, and not to be picky, but this thread started with some "schmuck" bleating about about how tiring a 12 hour 3 sector day would be, so get your facts right before you come up with your next accusation as to how soft another airline's crews are. |
ZB
Fair enough, maybe the main thrust of your post wasn't about fatigue but only now have you come out and acknowledged its significance to the industry. Perhaps some of the examples quoted did make you laugh but there are many instances in the industry, not just at CX, where Flight Time Limitations are seen as targets rather than limits by those who construct rosters. Consecutive long days with minimum rest WILL have a long term effect on fatigue with the consequent impact on performance. On the "You Scruffy Bu**ers" thread you said: As a regular SLF with CX, can I just say that I (and anyone I have spoken too) dont give two hoots how you look. Jeans and tee shirts would be fine. Professionalism is NOT defined by how dapper you look. STP PS. I haven't been called a dill since high school - thanks. |
Guys, decorum.
Back to the big picture. PBS aired this last night, the frontline investigation into the Colgan air accident. FRONTLINE: flying cheap: watch the full program | PBS Don't know how long it will be online for, for free, so hope you all catch it soon. |
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