VR-HFX
 

ASL has been a "Sister Company" for the bulk (ie all) of its life as well. Should the ASL guys be DOJ as well?

Not suggesting it .... just asking the question for the sake of consistency of thought....:E

cx pilots seniority......
 

seems like alot of cx pilots are so uptight with being overtaken in a position they might not be ready for. i mean if u started with cx as an S/O, and before joining you flew small turboprops...i think you should know your place. If you have jet time, in a similar a/c which you are applying for, then you just cant compare to a pilot flying turboprops or single engine a/c's. Seriously......cant compare.......... :P

can u really say an S/O flying for 3 years on a 330 would be more proficient in flying the a/c rather than a capt or f/o on a 320???

i could just be stirring up stuff.......:D:D:D

The above is a stupendously stupid comment.

Many SO's joined with lots of jet and command time. There are SO's with more jet time than the DFO's being hired.

Either way - previous experience has nothing to do with seniority.

fingus
 

Anyone with such comments must be lacking confidence in their own ability.... If you had been through the CX process, then you would understand, it doesnt matter which type you came off. There's no pissing contest around here.
From your comments, I take it your first type flown was the space shuttle. Good luck to you!

HFX , wrong again.
Might help if you stop trying to pidgeon hole.
If you have something sensible to say then come out and say it.
Melded seniority? Very funny.

Fingus, we have B777 trng captain ex Emirates who joined as an S/O. Does that invalidate your arguement? Then again, you could just be stirring up stuff.

a B777 training captain who joined as S/O?? I will have to see him to believe that, or they were going to cut his balls back in the UAE.

How long would he be S/O he is going to pass through the whole career once again? If this is true i guess he had a VERY valid reason to do it

I guess some people just don't like the desert!

The ex-EK 777 TC did join as an s/o, then "quit" to rejoin as a DE-F/O on an Oz base.

small minds......
 

i feel so sorry for you fellas........ why your heads are so far up where the sun dont shine, i see why!:confused:

i agree with riu!!! b777 skipper moving as SO??? mate, give us breaK!!! unreal!!!! i can understand going for an FO position.

humber10.....lacking in confidence???......maybe mate, maybe.......(hehehe)

yokebearer.......think twice!:eek:

i do understand what seniority is all about folks......

but again....im just stirring up stuff.
:p

340 not 777 TC for the record but this thread sure has degenerated...

:ugh::{

....i weep for the future....:{

Apple Tree...spot on.

Firewall...so the status quo is the way to go? Just sit by and watch the company continue to divide and conquer at will and do what it wants with basings and RA65. Your reference to pigeons and holes went by me I am afraid. Perhaps you would like to spell out your argument.

Liam, good point. On balance, I would think it would also be a good thing for the pilot body.

HFX, at what point did I state that the status quo is acceptable?
Again, re read the post and then author something sensible instead of trying to railroad the arguement in a direction which I for one am not advocating.
Pidgeon holes, devote some grey matter to it.
More noise.

HFX
 

So that's 80 ASL pilots and I'm guessing about 200 KA pilots (being the ones that joined before 1 Jan 2000) that are immediately senior to over half the CX pilot body... see no problems there... two points...

1. I bet a business class aminety kit (that I didn't take last week;)) HFX joined before 1 Jan 2000.

2. When the ASL and KA pilots joined their respective companies what were their expectations. Did they expect to be in the left seat of a CX Aircraft and/or a CX base? How were their initial expectations unduly affected by the Takeover/Merger/Integration/ Meld?

We're all in The Group.
 

Liam, KA pilot's expectations were to have a career in KA until retirement. I am now part of the CX group and expect to continue there for a long time there. For those transferring to CX along with "their" aircraft it is not unreasonable to retain command on those aircraft. Two CX 330s are being transferred to KA, maybe the first of many depending on how the current crisis plays out with regards to ac type and Group route structure. If some CX pilots could look at the bigger picture they would realise that a combined seniority would open up bidding opportunities for a different type of work on a KA 320/330s and maybe quicker command for some. A few would lose out, but on the whole I believe that there would be a greater benefit for the majority.
Keep us divided and guess who wins?

Anyone who honestly thinks there will be a combined seniority list is dreaming.

You are ignoring history. Wake up and smell the pollution!

:ugh:

Liam

You win, but I don't see how that makes me the chicken instead of the pig when it comes to breakfast.

One of the old striped jobbies OK, as I only have a few of the 'bon voyage' units? Black, blue or pink stripes? Could also throw in a Shanghai Tang PJ set (slightly used).

I am simply making the point that a single list would be a first move to create some unity in the pilot body. This must have a positive effect on medium-term negotiating power.

Reaching a single contract standard for all would take a lot longer.

I can see how RA65, 3ULH and DEC's increase time to command but could someone show me how a single list would do likewise?

I have no idea why KA pilots would want to integrate with the CX group. CX pilots are a poisoned chalice- have a re-read of some of the clowns in the posts above!

THe DPA shouldn't be talking to the AOA either.

Too much to lose when you break it all down.

AOA Leadership
 

ST et all have now left the building. The AOA is under new leadership.

Negative MACH.88:cool: Weatherilt is taking Turner in there negotiating some more of your conditions of service away as we speak. Same team - chairs rearranged. Disappointing.

Not entirely correct simplex.