Replacing 400s beginning 2013
 

just curiosity, what aircraft is your cup of tea after this jumbo? :)

Now let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater here....

It's not the airframes, it's about engines and fuel.

The 747-400 airframe still has 20 years of life in it. Why throw it away when the alternatives don't offer a huge leap in efficiency.

My guess is that fuel prices will moderate once alternative energy picks up a lot of the demand for electricity. Perhaps we should be looking at new power plants and synthetic avgas.

are you a classic driver?

Was....a long long time ago..then along came the 400.

seriously, if it's about engines and fuel, why was I reading an article the other day where emirates ceo was talking about replacement options for the 777-300er?

...or they could do a mod on the -400 and turn it into a twin. A pair of GE90-115s, has the same total thrust...may have to lower the T/O weight to allow for engine inop, but would be lighter operating weight with only 2 donks anyway...

:rolleyes::confused::}:ok::eek:

oh, oops, sorry for the mis-quoted

by the way, here is another quote

I will see more major airlines in the industries are going to retire their 747 fleet. The point is, I really doubt that A380 would be suitable for Cathay since they are saying "A380 is an option.'' In my point of view, twins engines aircraft are more likely to play in a role at this case, more 77w would be logical.

With fuel costs heading the way that they are...

...then the aircraft with the minimum fuel burn per pax/km or freight kg/km will win in the end.

QED

The title of this thread is mis leading. All the articles that I have read state that they are "phasing" the 23 -400s out and only considering replacing the capacity. I personally expect that CX will accelerate the retirement of the classics due to fuel.

Any talk of decreasing the airline is of concern especially as we add Direct Entry Captains to our apparently laughed at seniority list.

Mayday

zoo/mayday

you obviously have a passion for semantics:

- the thread says replacing = in the process of/not necessarily completed

The thread title is attention grabbing enough to lure you in. The fact that you had to come in here and read more than 3 lines of text to clarify your obvious curiosity for the subject, was possibly too much effort for you.

Suggest you don't read any newspapers or your head will explode.

Always considering your mental health,

N1 Vibes

you still here N1? I thought I asked you to leave the building a while ago?

This is the Professional Pilot's Rumour Network.

You are not a Pilot, so take your tool bag and go to your own rumour network site. Don't have your own site? well it's not our fault you guys can't get organised is it.

Your dribble is not wanted here.

Actually we do, and it is riddled with humour and good banter, mainly as no pilots go there:ok: and your dribble is not welcome there:=

so the sooner the -400's go over to the freighter the less of a chance the ASL freighter captains will pinch a pax command out of seniority

Sing earlier
 

Flight states that SQ plan to get rid of theirs by 2010/11. If the fuel price stays as it is then we may well have to think of Plan B. At the moment Plan A is to pray that the fuel price comes down.

Still,

The ex ASL captains have joined at the bottom of the seniority list. If you joined before them, then you will be eligible for a passenger command before they are. I originally joined Cathay on a freighter base and it never ceases to amaze me how ignorant some new joiners are to this whole ASL thing.

If you were here back in the mid nineties, then yes, ASL definitely delayed your command by a number of years and you have every right to feel aggrieved . But the company introduced ASL and the pilot group were unable to prevent it. Every time someone flames a fellow pilot, then he plays into the companies hand and helps further the "divide and conquer" policy.

As a group, we often go into self destruct mode and turn on ourselves. We are all guilty of allowing B scale, ASL, 49er's, C scale, COS 08 to happen. The list goes on.

I flew with many ASL chaps over the years and found them to be quite normal ! Now fire away...........

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080604/united_fuel.html?.v=2

United is going to start grounding 737's and 747's in an attempt to save $$. However, UA doesn't have a business model that knows how to make money anyway, so who really cares . . .