If we are going to go to 65 , we must all be on one scale. Why should you be on A me on B and the rest on C?

One airline one pay to 65...that is fair!!!

amen to that!

Of course we should all be on the same pay scale!

But it isn't going to happen until (and if) all CX pilots manage to unite on a few matters.

I love reading about B scalers complaining about A scalers who want to extend on A scales, ie, their own contract.


Surely all B scalers will want to extend on their own contract - B scales, or are you going to be happy to extend past 55 on the next cheapest pay scale, as you seem to expect the A scalers to do?

....basically this is the most pointless of arguments. 65 is going to happen very soon. The other world airlines have already set the bar. CX will follow in turn. get used to it...get over it, worry about how you are going to improve the other issues that we are dealing with.

Max Reheat and Cumguzzler,

You two idiots make Inspector Clouseau look like a genius with your deductive skills! :D FYI I joined early '95 so take a wild guess what rank I'll be! So please enlighten me exactly how a Captain is supposed to write.

Shame no LEP's have put their hand up for nomination. Apperently there are 365 amongst the pilot body, yet no representation in the AOA.

Thanks NC
 

Well put NC thanks.
Retirement age at CX has never been about AGE it's about MONEY.

Dragon69,
TDK says it all really. The abuse should stop.
However; since you ask... any officer worthy of his rank would not call a colleague a Moron for merely having a different opinion. I guess an apology to ATY is out of the question, eh?

How about a new "Real" Unified Pay Scale.
Increase B scale by at least 10%, A scalers can go to 65 as long as they sign up on new pay scale. Any A scaler not wanting new scale can stay on A scale but retire at 55.
Manage the introduction (somehow) to minimise delays to command up-grades to junior pilots.
But we are getting off the thread....back to the nominees...
By the way, just on CNN, United to cut number of a/c by 100!!! Mostly 73s, and job cuts!!! We need to strong Union more now than ever!!!!

Again, can we please keep to the topic of discussing the manifesto's of those that have nominated for the GC. This topic is too important for it to descend into the A vs B vs Z scale bitch slapping at dawn. If you want to winge then go down the Gay bar and do it but stop hijacking this thread.

Just like any other smart and handsome man, I love a good A-scale bashing...those dirty bastards wanting to hang onto CX's devil money..shameful.

However, I dont really understand why they are to blame? They "let" B-scale happen? What were they to do?

B-scale let C-scale happen. C-scale will let D-scale happen, etc.

Everyone let the one-off, completely separate, never to be integrated with CX seniority, ASL scab bastards back on the the list, termination of the FACA, DEC's, DEFOs on bases, the list goes on.

Point is there is a lot of blame to go around. Everyone should look at what happened on their watch and realistically think of what they could have done.

Answer is, nothing. Why? Cause we have a crap AOA representing us. They have been the common failure point in all of the degradation of conditions we have experienced.

So I would nominate any of those Brits, with there notoriously small hands and commensurate testicular orbital diameters, to the GC. That way, it wont hurt as much when they inevitably bend us over at the company's behest.

Give yourself a 1-3% raise and get out of the dysfunctional AOA.

:yuk:

"Crap AOA Representing Us"
 

With statements like the above, there is little doubt why our contracts keep going backwards.

Let's remember, that the AOA is only as strong as the people that it represents. If it only represents a fraction of the pilot body, what can you expect. Moreover, if they approch the issues like many do on these forums, there is little wonder it has little credibility. If the pilot body was truly interested in a strong union, we would be voting from a field of at least a half dozen potential presidents. Not giving the job to someone by acclamation.

Reading the drivel on these posts, one has to wonder why anyone would join in the first place. Everyone is blaming everyone else for their problems. Looking at the events of the past, I saw many of the most outspoken individuals turn and run when the chips were down.

The sad reality is until people stop taking our jobs at lesser pay and benefits, your, mine and everyone elses pay will not rise. It is the simple law of economics. What part do you not understand?

And to many of you useless mouthpieces, before you slander the A scale pilots, tell me what you have contributed to help solve the problems at hand.

My guess, probably nothing!!!!!

WHY NO LEPs?
 

They fell for PC's line about a Local Pilot Forum being in their best interests - a classic union busting tactic. And what has their reward been? Sweet FA.

Yes LEP's are discriminated against but until they join in with the rest of the pilot body they won't get anything except more bitter.

Just because they haven't stood for GC in no way indicates they fell for PS's line. Exactly the opposite for most of them.:ok:

I can't believe where this thread has gone. No wonder the AOA is what it is today.

I am quite surprised not all nominees, including current commitee members standing for re-election, have not posted their manifestos yet. I thought there was hope - Guess Not! Everyone is to busy bashing/complaining here on PPRuNe and in the cockpits to come up with anything constructive, much less act in a such a way. The company must be laughing their socks off. The Irony of "The Management" is becoming truer by the day.

LR

Manifestos
 

I don't know about manifestos, but if you log onto the HKAOA website you'll find most candidates have a one or two page write up about them.

MACH.88

MACH.88
A few people think the world revolves around them on this forum:}

Back to the topic.....

I just submitted my vote.... Have you?????

I voted for 14 out of the 22 nominated. Please take the 30 seconds it takes to vote and Vote. There is no excuse other then laziness not to vote.

I am choosing to remain optimistic that we will elect a GC that will listen to the members and effect some change! I realise that there are others out there that believe it is a lost cause, but please vote anyway.

BusyB Is leaving the GC finally and NW I hope you are right and there will be a representative GC for once.

When do the results get published?