You are very correct. Rumours have it that at least two previous fly-bys were conducted and are being investigated. This is not over by a long shot.:ugh:
PS Flight Intl has it now also:\

Nice to see censorship in operation, the clip has now been removed from Youtube!
I just wondered by whom ?

Did the Airbus boys do any flybys on their delivery flights? What about the delivery of LAD? the 100th Aircraft, did they buzz the tower at Toulose ( sorry don't know how to spell it )

The final nail
 

Gee, I'm so glad Boeing didn't do anything this rash during the first flight of the Dash 80 all those years ago. ;)

tipsy:ok:

Leadership?
 

Volare

It's refreshing to have an oasis of eloquent expression amongst the passive aggression that our CX posts tend to descend into...or is that, into which our CX posts descend. I was never sure if one could finish a sentence with a prepo...whats-its-name.

However, there are a couple of issues you raised.

The first has been addressed by Mr Bloggs. I arrived around the time of the 49-ers with no experience of either unions or industrial unrest. Whilst I applaud your noble wish to set some form of example, I cannot help feeling some contentment that one of the people responsible for destroying the wellbeing of around 50 families has been hoisted by his own petard.

The second I have touched on before: there is no requirement for inspirational leadership in a business environment. This latter takes more time to explain than I have at present but, in summary, runs along the lines of when businesses began to replace experienced professionals in managerial positions with asset managers with the excuse of cutting costs, the requirement to lead fell by the wayside.

Add to that the lack of employment protection in Hong Kong and the completely illogical dictates of our present management, such as denying pay rises for 7 years with excuses like having to give everyone a pay rise, or having to cut costs whilst simultaneously awarding large individual bonuses, and very soon one has to find where one's own perspective leads them; or, as a friend of mine directs, "finds one's own space."

There are 2 clear sides to this thread: on one side there's the flypast, and the debate of whether or not we've moved on in aviation and such acts are no longer condoned, or if they are, properly authorised; the other is the treatment of an individual by a managerial system corroded by years of neglect and attempting to lead a group of experienced professionals for which they have shown a consistent lack of respect.

Whilst there is an underlying change in attitude by the third floor being welcomed around the bazaars, this attitude must be backed up by action in the form of financial and professional recognition. However, until such time as we can as a body move forward, I will not be shedding a tear for our fallen comrade who didn't have the integrity to show the same compassion for his own.

BB

One report doing the rounds.

His first officer on the flight Ray Middleton (who got suspended for six months) said the company officials toasted the flight with Wilkinson later and he believes nothing would have come of the whole thing if the video hadn't made it to YouTube. Airline officials said low fly-bys are allowed, but only if the crew asks first, which apparently didn't happen in this case.

I wondered when the scum would hit the fan!:ugh:

Any form of disciplinary action for RM is uncalled for IMO. What was he supposed to do, take control and assume command from IW? A lose, lose for RM. I have the utmost respect for RM, great aviator and a true gentleman. A scarce commodity in post millennium CX. Suspending him from C & T duties is only a loss for the company.

Looking at these Photos on the BBC and the Newsletter of the crew and Management toasting (in uniform) after the event and before the sacking is just too ironic to process! Surely one should call for the resignation of the CEO as well? I hope f/o RM is seeking legal advice because I believe he has a very good case against both the executives and sorry to say the Captain to say he was acting in good faith of fly by approval and seek damages for stress and loss of reputation. I would hope that he would be supported in that by the pilot body and his union.

As regards the post from Seafury, I truely hope I am misinterpreting this post as parading this man and woman's personal history over the internet. What is wrong with you?


Buttle Box, I very much enjoyed reading your post and I think it presents the same sentiments to this incident, the people involved and their history as many people feel however it is done in a dignified healthy and balanced fashion befitting a professional pilot. I would hope that IW can understand the perspective people must have on this vis a vis past issues in which he was involved. There is a certain poetic justice in some one finding themselves requiring the compassionate view which they may have lacked in the past. It is in consideration though of this fact that I do feel sorry for him and can only imagine how the weight of all of this lies heavily on his shoulders now, what a dreadful burden to carry. Maybe he will speak out on this and apologise to those who were hurt and destroyed by aid of his own actions in the past. However some of the vendictive posts here go beyond stating this fact and what instead we see is a lowereing of moral and humane standards of our colleagues which they fail to see make them no better than those actions they love to condemn.

On the point regarding there is no requirement for leadership in business Im afraid I have to slightly disagree. here certainly has been very little or no leadership, instead the harsh hand of dictatorship has been dealt breaking many peoples spirits and now it is clear it is infact damaging the financial accounts and future which has always been the "everything' to them.
The win at any cost attitude is now costing more than they can afford and the resist at any cost attitude of the pilots body likewise is damaging us too.

Only businesses that show vision and a holistic approach to realising this vision will survive in these very very uncertain economic times.

It only take one side to make a gesture. I have suggested what our side could do. his now goes beyond the business for me. I'm very sad to see the demise our our profession to the levels we have fallen in professionalism, dignity and respect. Here are some extracts....


Maybe we should all (Manage
ment and Unions and members) take some time out and read fable Animal Farm...it might hold up a mirror that would be uncomfortable to look at!

"Squealer: Do not imagine, comrades, that leadership is a pleasure. On the contrary, it is a deep and heavy responsibility. No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?

"Ah, that is different!" said Boxer. "If Comrade Napoleon says it, it must be right."

But when Muriel reads the writing on the barn wall to Clover, interestingly, the words are, "No animal shall kill any other animal without cause."
ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.

"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."



Quattuor crura bona, duo crura mala

The Management
 

This is the longest that we have not heard from The Management. The salary CX will save with this sacking will surely increase his bonus yet we have heard nothing. Unless....... could it have been The Management who was sacked?

Volare
 

The names are circulating throughout the international media. A little late for discretion. Maybe you are better suited to an amateur lit club, away from prune. BTW, "merrda taurorum animas conturbit". Is that your angle?

Volare
 

I see you have edited your post.

:D
Thats certainly not my angle WNC...what I am saying is "Ducere Exemplo" "Duo cum faciunt idem, non est idem "

Yes that was edited when I saw the article in the BBC actually as a result of reading your first post at the top of this page! No cod trickery meant!

I feel sorry for Nick. When your professional expertise relates to how many monkeys you can have in an enclosure before monkey sh!t will be thrown around, its hard to understand the people that can fly machines slightly beyond your IQ. It must be hard for him to know where the right places are to cut costs. Luckily he has KJP to help out, and being a mathematician, he wouldn't make a mistake!

So poor Nick thought this was all great fun until his pet got 'Dexter' like tendencies and 'needed' to draw blood!

My 2 bits
 

I think I agree with all here saying it was a bit too harsh. It just seems so strange that Cx. would fire (as opposed to a warning of some sort) someone who obviously is an excellent aviator with years of valuable experience over a technicality.

I'd be curious to know if their (Cx. Mngts.) hand was forced by someone on board or perhaps it was the media blowing it well out of proportion! Or was it more of an excuse to get rid of a very senior Captain?


RL

Captain IW
 

Well done, Ian. Sorry you got caught out by weak senior management who have previously turned a blind eye to the many low fly-by's done by CX on departure from Boeing.

(Involved in two of them myself).

I enjoyed being part of your recruitment, initial, then, command training, and know you for a sensible, competent aviator.

Good luck with your next career move.

Yours aye,

Greywings

Redliner,

You obviously dont work for Cathay

Surely it can't be as bad as that! And I almost did take up a position with them -- should I be glad I declined the invitation?

All this hot air over another example of Cathay's hypocrisy...