CX B777-300ER Rest Area for Pilots
Hi guys.
Doing some research and want to see if you guys get the Boeing fitted crew rest area for pilots above L1 and R1 doors in the ceiling.....with the 2 chairs certified for take off/landing and the two bunks etc. Thanks for your detailed response. Oh yes another quick question - do you guys have layover rules for Ultra Long Haul Flights. For example when you fly to New York, what is the flight time each way, and what is your layover time? Is there a minimum layover time? Just wondering because the brass in my neck of the woods have instituted a 24 hour layover for a 17 hour flight to Houston. Thanks a lot. And we have taken out the pilot bunks and have to sleep at the other end with the crew....not 'with the crew'....but you know what I mean. |
Yes, CX 300ERs have the overhead flight crew rest area up the front.
Minimum required rest periods on ULR flights where the time difference between the places where the preceding Duty Period started and finished is six hours or more:
As an alternative to 1. and 2. above, the rest period can be the longer of:
Clear as mud?? Scheduled Duty Periods for our JFK flights: HKG-JFK: 17:05 JFK-HKG: 17:40 In practice, there are two JFK flights each day; one pattern gets a scheduled layover of 34:20, while the other gets 48:15. |
I don't think there is a 300-ER without overhead seats certified for take-off and landing, they are not options as far as I'm aware. They were options originally but by delivery time they no longer were.
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"As an alternative to 1. and 2. above, the rest period can be the longer of:
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Who gets to choose the alternative rest period... and in what circumstances? |
Yes you are correct re the new 777s being firm in having the Pilot Crew Rest Areas there. Not an option. Some companies though .... then uninstall them while they fit the new cabins. Sweet.
Just to confirm though - your minimum rest of an ultralong haul flight is 34 hours. Cannot be less. Is that correct???? |
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Just to confirm though - your minimum rest of an ultralong haul flight is 34 hours. Cannot be less. Is that correct???? |
Basically min rest is the length of the proceding duty period or 12 hours which ever is the greater.
In practice, the requirement to provide an 8-hour sleep opportunity at the flight crew member's normal home base 'sleep time' is often limiting. For example, the current 840/841 New York pattern arrives JFK at 2125 local time (1025 HK time), the rest period starts at 2155 local time and the total duty period is 17:05. According to the rules, the next sleep opportunity doesn't occur until 2200 HK time, or 0900 local time - 8 hours later would be 1700 local time. The sleep opportunity doesn't include the 1 hour before leaving the hotel or the travelling time back to the airport, say 45 minutes. That makes the earliest sign-on time 1845 local, for a total rest period of 20:50. The minimum rest required would therefore be the greater of:
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Under Comanders Discretion it can be 10 hours in the pub. That is how the CAD interpret it.
Otherwise previous duty period for a JFK trip. |
Ten hours in the pub if you agree and not when Crew Control use 16.3.
Section 16.3 in which the company can reduce your physiological rest to “Normal Rest” (which equals 12 hours or as long as the previous duty) and this “may not” be reduced further by the use of commanders discretion. Some managers think they can do this but it is their interpretation only. If your previous duty is over 18 hours, then rest must include a local night. The key words in 16.3 are “Roster Disruption”. What is the definition? There isn’t any. Crew Control will say there is a roster disruption to suit their needs. We may get some management creep in here to tell you otherwise. Let the debate begin.:ok: |
I dont mean to start a thread drift but what engines do the Cathay 777-300ERs have? I have heard it is a GE engine which is a little surprising as I thought Cathay would have stuck with the RR Trent. Any info would be a help as I have an interview shortly.
Cheers |
I thought all 300ER's had GE-90's? Trent is not an option as far as I'm aware but I've been known to be wrong.
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Correct, the 777-300ER and 777-200LR only come with GE90s.
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what engines do the Cathay 777-300ERs have? |
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