Jump Seats
 

Does it piss anyone else off when you search for availability of jump seats & you see its been given away to the husband of ground staff 2 minutes after the roster goes live ?

Jump seats should be allocated in the following order :

1) Operating crew's family members
2) AOA members
3) Non-AOA members
4) Cabin Crew
5) Gound Staff
6) Family
7) Management

Groups 5, 6 & 7 should not be approved untill close to the flight, to allow late requests form groups 1, 2, 3 & 4.

Anything else ?????

why the hell should AOA members get priority over NON members????:ugh:

Obvious, Duh...
 

Because, Sucker, it rewards those who have made some sacrifices (financial and otherwise) for the greater good of the pilot body.

aace
 

What's aoa got to do with priority?

badairsucker
 

you wouldn't even start to know what sacrifice is- get real or **** off

As the Captain, I get to chose who gets the JS. That's my right.
The priority I use is the one above & that's what most AOA member Capt's do too. That's their right. We like to support those who support us all. That's our right.
Maybe another (of many) reasons to join the AOA.
But we all really know why you don't join ...... $$$$$$

however, sexy looking girly with big Tit's trumps all those priority's............

aace
 

Nothing to do with money sport, all to do with what the aoa did for me -******* zilch, just like the last negotiations- they wanted to take conditions away from me- leave passage and I must go into new travel scheme- they are useless, they take from me to appease the others. You don't know what a union is.

AACE

Could not agree with you more....

Very correct

Sorry - non AOA - don't need a say - fair enough

Cheers

So Routetuner ....
What do you think your contract would be like if everyone was like you & there was no AOA. I can guarantee it would be MUCH worse.
Sure it's not perfect, far from it, but it's what we've got & we should ALL support it.
If you don't like it, join the committee & change it yourself .....

Sorry but you AOA militants need to wake up and get a life.....


They have done F all to help you out in the past.


Care to share with us what the great AOA have done for the pilot body recently??????????

AACE, If you are the kind of captains CX have now, god help us all, you sad little man.

OK badairsucker, I'll ask you the same question ....
What do you think your contract would be like if we were all like you & there was no AOA ?

AACE,

Simple english man, you can't answer a question with a question.


Care to share with us what your little AOA has done for the pilot body recently???????????????????????????????


Some of us can see the fact that the company will do what the hell they want to do....AOA or not. You have been paying into your AOA and in return you have nothing, your loss mate not mine.

Care to pass on your thoughts on the last round of pay talks, ah yes, the great 3%.

it's frustrating just to hear it

sucker,
what good does it do do whine and complain? do you think you have a better chance with negotiation by yourself or with the AoA?

Can YOU share with us what YOU've done for the pilot body recently?

NSO

Non-AOA jumpers
 

If the AOA had 100% membership, you would have seen better results.
How much leverage does it have when you play right into the company's divide and conquer strategy.
Individually I get very little from the AOA.
The upside is collectivelly.
I agree, no jumpseats for non-AOA members.
Hell no sectors either.
I'll take my jumpseat chances with non-AOA captains.
That is all.;)

I would love for some AOA captain to try and refuse me the jumpseat or leg. He had better have an excuse other than me being a non-member. I'm sure the management would love to hear about that.

The jumpseat is there to provide relief for the operating crew first and foremost. The priority after that should be for COMMUTING CREW, everyone else should be first come.

Ilovepx & badair.....I LOVE guys like you...! Pleaaaaase apply for one of me jumpseats. Answer: cannot. No reason given . Have a nice day

did we forget about the freighters?
 

AoA this and that, who cares. The most important issue is being able to use the jumpseat to reposition to or from work. Unless we all live in domicile, this is a critical issue.

Now - why can't this company open up the jumpseats and supernumerary
seats to cockpit crew. Well, they say, it is a CAD rule.

CHANGE THE RULE !!!!

Doesn't make much sense that your mother can ride in the flight deck of a passenger aircraft, but a qualified pilot can't get on a freighter. I can only assume that CX doesn't want this privilege to be available to its crews. Keeping these restrictions in place gives them the false sense of control over the crews. In fact, pilots would rather call in sick if they can't get to work, rather than admit to the company they need the jumpseat. So the perceived control is actually blind ignorance.

Other airlines in the FREE world have already figured this out and made progressive jumpseat/commuting policies. They actually SAVED money as the number of sick calls dropped dramatically. The original crews operated their trips and the reserve pilots were saved for operational difficulties.

Opps.....tripped over another dollar, but at least I picked up a nickel :}

Hmmmmm....nickel is shinny:cool:

That would be entirely inline with the CRM practices CX teaches. I hope you would have a nice rest in the bunk too.

The problem with the AOA and its members remains the same: All bark..no bite.

Man-up ladies.

AACE
 

You say you are a Cathay Capt; I am sure you wouldn't like anyone questioning your decisions regarding jumpseats, so why are you challenging a fellow Capt's decision?

If he chooses to give away jumpseats to "the husband of ground staff 2 minutes after the roster goes live" that is surely his right.... without question..