Reserve on layovers

[controlledrest]

Now we are to be on reserve on layovers: stay in your room, able to leave at a moments notice, unable to plan anything. They can just get f**ked.

[rudestuff]

That sounds more like Standby than Reserve.

[viking avenger]

How many pilots have left since December 2019?

[raven11]

Par for the course working for an organization without a binding employment contract and in a jurisdiction without labour laws. Do yourself a favour and move to a first world country. Hong Kong is moving backwards. It’s not a stable and secure location to work in or raise a family.

[Posterizing]

Originally Posted by viking avenger

How many pilots have left since December 2019?

i have moved up 1280 spots since december 2019

[RAT Management]

Well try this on for size: CX are paying the HK Gov $1.52 Billion dollars as a special dividend for their support during the pandemic. CX also announced they have no need for the $7.5 billion loan from the govt and the draw down date expires this week. So where did the 1.52 billion come from:

Compare a 2019 annual tax return statement to a 2022/23 one. Captains earn around $700k less than 2019.
FO earn around $400k less
SO earn around $200k less.

​​​​​​800 captains + 1000FO + 600SO = $1.1 billion dollars in wage savings alone. Don't forget the other costs they've cut.

How do you like them apples?

[Babyjet_dododo]

Originally Posted by RAT Management

Well try this on for size: CX are paying the HK Gov $1.52 Billion dollars as a special dividend for their support during the pandemic. CX also announced they have no need for the $7.5 billion loan from the govt and the draw down date expires this week. So where did the 1.52 billion come from:

Compare a 2019 annual tax return statement to a 2022/23 one. Captains earn around $700k less than 2019.
FO earn around $400k less
SO earn around $200k less.

​​​​​​800 captains + 1000FO + 600SO = $1.1 billion dollars in wage savings alone. Don't forget the other costs they've cut.

How do you like them apples?

it’s okay! They’re giving new joiners access to staff travel from the DOJ! I wonder how many emails were send out with different keywords?

1. Feedback from brushwingers, we have decided to…..
2. Feedback from new cabin crew, we have decided to…..
3. Feedback from the legal department, we have decided to…..
4. Feedback from the IT department, we have decided to,…..

and so on…..

[Fac6]

Originally Posted by Babyjet_dododo

it’s okay! They’re giving new joiners access to staff travel from the DOJ! I wonder how many emails were send out with different keywords?.

How many people have actually returned?

[LootedfromCPA]

And you have to be ready within 45 minutes 🤡 how is that even supposed to be possible when you are jetlagged on a layover? RIP crew safety

[NewLow]

Where is this written?

[SOPS]

Originally Posted by LootedfromCPA

And you have to be ready within 45 minutes 🤡 how is that even supposed to be possible when you are jetlagged on a layover? RIP crew safety

How much rest do you get before you are on this so called reserve?

[Babyjet_dododo]

Originally Posted by Fac6

How many people have actually returned?

Apparently 170ish

[Oasis]

CX could have offered unpaid leave to those 170, but they didn't..

[Silent Treatment]

Originally Posted by Babyjet_dododo

Apparently 170ish

I doubt that figure is correct. Even so, the total number continues to go down.

[Cavallier]

Even it was 170, it in no way replaces the drain of the last 2 years of experienced and competent operators ! I believe it’s not as bad as last year but there is still a small stream of pilots leaving .

The Cav

[AQIS Boigu]

Originally Posted by Babyjet_dododo

Apparently 170ish

Check your crew link seniority list - less than a dozen captains have returned so far.


Since Covid we have lost a total of 1500 pilots and (re-)hired around 400

More to come for sure

[controlledrest]

Originally Posted by LootedfromCPA

And you have to be ready within 45 minutes 🤡 how is that even supposed to be possible when you are jetlagged on a layover? RIP crew safety

Grow a pair. Like all other duties, if you are not fit for duty, don't operate. Their problem.

[G Merch]

Some parties get $1.5bn for their support. Others get coconut water and praise of resilience.

[Babyjet_dododo]

Originally Posted by controlledrest

Grow a pair. Like all other duties, if you are not fit for duty, don't operate. Their problem.

Have you ever called in sick? I can tell you from experience the intimidation and bullying that is faced is not worth it

[controlledrest]

Originally Posted by Babyjet_dododo

Have you ever called in sick? I can tell you from experience the intimidation and bullying that is faced is not worth it

Sure have. Never been called to the office to explain myself either. I keep my call to Crw Ops short and factual: "I have been unable to get adequate rest, I can't safely operate this flight due to fatigue, I expect to be fit for duty by XX:XX". I also make sure my hotel room usage indicates I was trying to rest should they go checking.