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Old 6th Jun 2023, 00:49
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Reserve on layovers

Now we are to be on reserve on layovers: stay in your room, able to leave at a moments notice, unable to plan anything. They can just get f**ked.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 04:12
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That sounds more like Standby than Reserve.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 08:42
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How many pilots have left since December 2019?
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 13:23
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Par for the course working for an organization without a binding employment contract and in a jurisdiction without labour laws. Do yourself a favour and move to a first world country. Hong Kong is moving backwards. It’s not a stable and secure location to work in or raise a family.
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 15:22
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Originally Posted by viking avenger
How many pilots have left since December 2019?
i have moved up 1280 spots since december 2019
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 02:35
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Well try this on for size: CX are paying the HK Gov $1.52 Billion dollars as a special dividend for their support during the pandemic. CX also announced they have no need for the $7.5 billion loan from the govt and the draw down date expires this week. So where did the 1.52 billion come from:

Compare a 2019 annual tax return statement to a 2022/23 one. Captains earn around $700k less than 2019.
FO earn around $400k less
SO earn around $200k less.

​​​​​​800 captains + 1000FO + 600SO = $1.1 billion dollars in wage savings alone. Don't forget the other costs they've cut.

How do you like them apples?
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 07:14
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Originally Posted by RAT Management
Well try this on for size: CX are paying the HK Gov $1.52 Billion dollars as a special dividend for their support during the pandemic. CX also announced they have no need for the $7.5 billion loan from the govt and the draw down date expires this week. So where did the 1.52 billion come from:

Compare a 2019 annual tax return statement to a 2022/23 one. Captains earn around $700k less than 2019.
FO earn around $400k less
SO earn around $200k less.

​​​​​​800 captains + 1000FO + 600SO = $1.1 billion dollars in wage savings alone. Don't forget the other costs they've cut.

How do you like them apples?
it’s okay! They’re giving new joiners access to staff travel from the DOJ! I wonder how many emails were send out with different keywords?

1. Feedback from brushwingers, we have decided to…..
2. Feedback from new cabin crew, we have decided to…..
3. Feedback from the legal department, we have decided to…..
4. Feedback from the IT department, we have decided to,…..

and so on…..


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Old 7th Jun 2023, 10:12
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Originally Posted by Babyjet_dododo
it’s okay! They’re giving new joiners access to staff travel from the DOJ! I wonder how many emails were send out with different keywords?.
How many people have actually returned?
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 11:00
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And you have to be ready within 45 minutes 🤡 how is that even supposed to be possible when you are jetlagged on a layover? RIP crew safety
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 11:48
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Where is this written?
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 11:51
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Originally Posted by LootedfromCPA
And you have to be ready within 45 minutes 🤡 how is that even supposed to be possible when you are jetlagged on a layover? RIP crew safety
How much rest do you get before you are on this so called reserve?
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 11:58
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Originally Posted by Fac6
How many people have actually returned?
Apparently 170ish
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 12:24
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CX could have offered unpaid leave to those 170, but they didn't..
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 12:37
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Originally Posted by Babyjet_dododo
Apparently 170ish
I doubt that figure is correct. Even so, the total number continues to go down.
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Old 7th Jun 2023, 18:44
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Even it was 170, it in no way replaces the drain of the last 2 years of experienced and competent operators ! I believe it’s not as bad as last year but there is still a small stream of pilots leaving .

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Old 7th Jun 2023, 22:22
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Originally Posted by Babyjet_dododo
Apparently 170ish
Check your crew link seniority list - less than a dozen captains have returned so far.


Since Covid we have lost a total of 1500 pilots and (re-)hired around 400

More to come for sure


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Old 8th Jun 2023, 01:52
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Originally Posted by LootedfromCPA
And you have to be ready within 45 minutes 🤡 how is that even supposed to be possible when you are jetlagged on a layover? RIP crew safety
Grow a pair. Like all other duties, if you are not fit for duty, don't operate. Their problem.
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Old 8th Jun 2023, 02:24
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Some parties get $1.5bn for their support. Others get coconut water and praise of resilience.
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Old 8th Jun 2023, 02:57
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Originally Posted by controlledrest
Grow a pair. Like all other duties, if you are not fit for duty, don't operate. Their problem.
Have you ever called in sick? I can tell you from experience the intimidation and bullying that is faced is not worth it
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Old 8th Jun 2023, 05:38
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Originally Posted by Babyjet_dododo
Have you ever called in sick? I can tell you from experience the intimidation and bullying that is faced is not worth it
Sure have. Never been called to the office to explain myself either. I keep my call to Crw Ops short and factual: "I have been unable to get adequate rest, I can't safely operate this flight due to fatigue, I expect to be fit for duty by XX:XX". I also make sure my hotel room usage indicates I was trying to rest should they go checking.
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