Pilot Shortage in Hong Kong
Originally Posted by Freehills
PRC pilots manage it (flying in the PRC) with, frankly, an excellent safety record.
Yes well given that the particular regime in question seems to have extreme difficulty with opacity and the truth ( 2 and a half years on and we still don’t know how a virus evolved that’s killed several million people and wiped bilions off economies worldwide) who knows how excellent their safety record actually is ? That said I’ll pass on the punitive, pejorative , spy in the cab style of pilot management. And anyone who has spent any time at all flying in or even through the PRC ( which I have ) knows that a) it’s a pia and b) is an accident waiting to happen.
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
The crucial point is that you guys are willing to work in this environment. That is all that counts. Nobody cares if you like it, if it makes you happy, you think it is more difficult or unhealthy. It is not relevant, not even for you or would not do it.
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Originally Posted by Flex88
Languages, accents, typhoons, sh*t ATC, lung destroying Cat III smog....... Naw, it's the exact same everywhere right ?? STW = fool .
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False!
I’m interested! All kidding aside.
Joining cx used to imply you met a certain standard.
Today I read the next generation of pilots in this airline will not even have to do a sim evaluation, just zoom call your interview and show up for training chaps!
Ah well, we’ll see what happens, I hope you’re right, I really do.
I’m interested! All kidding aside.
Joining cx used to imply you met a certain standard.
Today I read the next generation of pilots in this airline will not even have to do a sim evaluation, just zoom call your interview and show up for training chaps!
Ah well, we’ll see what happens, I hope you’re right, I really do.
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
All these factors, true or not, are irrelevant as long as you do the job. Nobody is interested if you like it, if you are happy in HK,how difficult or hard you perceive the flying. Nobody.
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Well before all these ex Comair Zaffers come out to Hongkers to rescue CXi, they might want to read this first:
https://www.mingtiandi.com/real-esta...ate-headlines/
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I would not go back even if they offered COS 08.
I don't trust them not to meddle with the terms again and have zero respect for the leadership, government, corporate and flt ops.
Ive flown with some of the occupants on the 3rd floor when they were FO’s and wouldn’t trust some of them to drive a car let alone lead a group of experienced professionals.
Life is not a dress rehearsal. You get one shot only and I was fortunate my “shot” was during the good times for CX/HKG. Most of the South African’s I have met through flying are fine aviators and intelligent men. They know spoilt fruit when they see it and as such the latest drive for the bottom of the barrel will yield the desperate and incompetent.
There are good times are still to be found in aviation , just elsewhere.
Keep looking and do not sell yourself short.
I don't trust them not to meddle with the terms again and have zero respect for the leadership, government, corporate and flt ops.
Ive flown with some of the occupants on the 3rd floor when they were FO’s and wouldn’t trust some of them to drive a car let alone lead a group of experienced professionals.
Life is not a dress rehearsal. You get one shot only and I was fortunate my “shot” was during the good times for CX/HKG. Most of the South African’s I have met through flying are fine aviators and intelligent men. They know spoilt fruit when they see it and as such the latest drive for the bottom of the barrel will yield the desperate and incompetent.
There are good times are still to be found in aviation , just elsewhere.
Keep looking and do not sell yourself short.
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Originally Posted by fire wall
I would not go back even if they offered COS 08.
latest drive for the bottom of the barrel will yield the desperate and incompetent.
latest drive for the bottom of the barrel will yield the desperate and incompetent.
Another very experienced 777 STC just gave their notice. When will the bleeding stop?
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Originally Posted by cxflog
Another very experienced 777 STC just gave their notice. When will the bleeding stop?
The pay and benefits under COS 18 are insufficient to keep qualified pilots, especially when you consider all the Covid BS we are forced to put up with. You might keep a few of the experienced pilots if you offered month on/month off but I suspect that most have made their decisions to retire early or take another job in their home country.
Congrats to the GMA and her ilk for destroying this airline. Your disdain and contempt for pilots will be the end of this place. Who is going to train the 800 new cadets? You?
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Originally Posted by pill
Purple ties for all would be my guess. All sold with shiny pictures of 748s and 350s in the back ground.
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Originally Posted by Dilbert68
It won't stop. This company is failing right along with the city.
The pay and benefits under COS 18 are insufficient to keep qualified pilots, especially when you consider all the Covid BS we are forced to put up with. You might keep a few of the experienced pilots if you offered month on/month off but I suspect that most have made their decisions to retire early or take another job in their home country.
Congrats to the GMA and her ilk for destroying this airline. Your disdain and contempt for pilots will be the end of this place. Who is going to train the 800 new cadets? You?
The pay and benefits under COS 18 are insufficient to keep qualified pilots, especially when you consider all the Covid BS we are forced to put up with. You might keep a few of the experienced pilots if you offered month on/month off but I suspect that most have made their decisions to retire early or take another job in their home country.
Congrats to the GMA and her ilk for destroying this airline. Your disdain and contempt for pilots will be the end of this place. Who is going to train the 800 new cadets? You?
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What's going on behind the scenes at cx city:
The plan was 60% of normal ops by September. Planning said cannot, not enough pilots. Revised plan was 50% of normal ops by end of the year. Planning now says not enough pilots for that either and can't recruit pilots either. So now again revised plan, 30% cut to the 50% by end of the year plan. It has already been admitted openly internally that their plans are not achievable due to lack of pilots even after downsizing the plans several times already. They're also having no luck hiring in any department to restore operations back towards normal level.
Panic has set in at board level. Eventually it will have to he admitted that cathay can't restore operations due to inability to retain or hire pilots, publicly. Or apparently any employees in general as well.
It must be painful to be an employer without any credibility having lost the confidence of long time loyal employees forever due to one stupid arrognt mistake at a crucial moment for which cathay will very possibly pay the ultimate price for.
The harder and harsher cathay falls the better for the pilot profession. It will keep other airlines to even think about doing the same to their pilot workforce in the future. It seems cathay has finally found the magic line that they should have never crossed, and from which there's no going back.
There's nothing cathay can ever do now to regain credibility. They'll have to pay more than they did before to get people risking their careers to work at cathay even on short term basis.
Well done GH. This was all GH's baby project.
This is what happens when there's a waste of oxygen CEO in charge. He can be persuaded to agree to this kind of disastrous action for which cathay is already in deep deep sh!t now unable to execute a recovery.
The plan was 60% of normal ops by September. Planning said cannot, not enough pilots. Revised plan was 50% of normal ops by end of the year. Planning now says not enough pilots for that either and can't recruit pilots either. So now again revised plan, 30% cut to the 50% by end of the year plan. It has already been admitted openly internally that their plans are not achievable due to lack of pilots even after downsizing the plans several times already. They're also having no luck hiring in any department to restore operations back towards normal level.
Panic has set in at board level. Eventually it will have to he admitted that cathay can't restore operations due to inability to retain or hire pilots, publicly. Or apparently any employees in general as well.
It must be painful to be an employer without any credibility having lost the confidence of long time loyal employees forever due to one stupid arrognt mistake at a crucial moment for which cathay will very possibly pay the ultimate price for.
The harder and harsher cathay falls the better for the pilot profession. It will keep other airlines to even think about doing the same to their pilot workforce in the future. It seems cathay has finally found the magic line that they should have never crossed, and from which there's no going back.
There's nothing cathay can ever do now to regain credibility. They'll have to pay more than they did before to get people risking their careers to work at cathay even on short term basis.
Well done GH. This was all GH's baby project.
This is what happens when there's a waste of oxygen CEO in charge. He can be persuaded to agree to this kind of disastrous action for which cathay is already in deep deep sh!t now unable to execute a recovery.
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Originally Posted by Oli777
If you mean HKE, then their adverts say only "Hong Kong Permanent Resident"
Couldn't be stated any clearer.
