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Pilot Shortage in Hong Kong

Old 11th Aug 2022, 05:07
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Originally Posted by Cury Lamb View Post
Well get some more ice, in fact get an iceberg, because its gonna take a very very long time to pay back 39 billion loan + accrued interest!
They haven't taken the loan. They keep getting extensions. They have enough liquidity to go on like this for more than 5 years.
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Old 11th Aug 2022, 07:59
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Jesus, you guys must be bored. So now I should worry about the repayment schedules of a government loan..
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Old 14th Aug 2022, 10:15
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Originally Posted by Flex88 View Post
The stupid level of this post says it all and concisely reflects almost all the bare knuckle hangers on at CX.. A load factor of 98% on "flights flown" means absolutely nothing when PASSENGER TRAFFIC IS STILL 95% LESS than in 2019..
Cmon Man... it's embarrassing
Agreed. What an absolute muppet post. I had to read it more than once because I thought maybe I'm misunderstanding it. Maybe he is a politician because it's the same level of common sense the gov uses with their zero covid BS.
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Old 14th Aug 2022, 10:58
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Bragging how this can go on for another 5 years.

Stockholm syndrome at itís finest.

surely due another dose of ďvaccine or be firedĒ emails.
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Old 14th Aug 2022, 13:24
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Originally Posted by Bokpiel View Post
Agreed. What an absolute muppet post. I had to read it more than once because I thought maybe I'm misunderstanding it. Maybe he is a politician because it's the same level of common sense the gov uses with their zero covid BS.
I read a moronic headline in the SCCP today; Something along the lines of "Hong Kong arrivals to rise 80%" due to the slight relaxation of quarantine restrictions.
Yeah?
Well, +80% of F.A. is still F.A.
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Old 14th Aug 2022, 14:40
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Cue the reporter questions: 'Won't this increase the risk of imported cases?'
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Old 14th Aug 2022, 22:17
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Yet in the USA companies are realising and recognising that if they don’t pay decent wages they won’t get pilots

A new USregional airline startup, Connect Airlines, is offering a massive salary for direct-entry captains. The airline will offer a $250,000 starting salary to 30 qualified direct-entry Dash-8 captains. It only requires 2,500 hours of total flight time and provides a benefits package and a home every night schedule. The news of this eye-catching salary comes amid a pilot shortage when airlines are struggling to find qualified pilots.
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Old 15th Aug 2022, 09:26
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Has anyone heard of Cathay Pacific now requiring new joiners to sign for a training loan ( aka training bond)
Worth $280000 hkd over 36 months?

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Old 15th Aug 2022, 10:21
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OF
Then perhaps the US is the place for you sir.
Of course Cathay will one way or another get all of the pilots that it needs and probably you are already aware of this.
If this should involve paying more then this is what will happen.
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Old 15th Aug 2022, 10:38
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JJM,

Yes heard this today.

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Old 15th Aug 2022, 11:00
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JJM The information that you have posted is substantially incorrect.
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Old 15th Aug 2022, 11:28
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Originally Posted by veryoldchinahand View Post
JJM The information that you have posted is substantially incorrect.
It is not completely incorrect voch. Iíve seen it in black and white that the company will provide a loan to cover training costs that must be repaid if a DEFO leaves within three years. Thatíll help recruitment.
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Old 15th Aug 2022, 11:29
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VOCH,

suggest you respectfully check your sources. JJM is correct.

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Old 15th Aug 2022, 11:32
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Itís just a ploy to stop new joiners obtaining a licence and leaving straight away. Thereís nothing CX can do legally in HKG to obtain this amount apart from hold back wages/PFUND perhaps.

Same situation with their old ďforgivable loanĒ they used to pay and try and claim back if a pilot left before 5 or 6 years.

most airlines now have a bond, EK is about 45,000USD over a few years too
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Old 15th Aug 2022, 20:52
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Originally Posted by Dragon Pacific View Post
It is not completely incorrect voch. Iíve seen it in black and white that the company will provide a loan to cover training costs that must be repaid if a DEFO leaves within three years. Thatíll help recruitment.
Yup I am a cadet pilot and this is definitely what management has been saying to us. We have an unforgivable loan bound to us for 5 years which is payable according to an equation management came up with if you leave the company or get terminated "based on company discretion." The loan will take approximately 14,000 HKD (our monthly allowance) per month for the first 3 years which actually adds up to 504,000 HKD total. Half a f*cking million HKD. Even more deductions than the figures provided above. Absolutely ridiculous.
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Old 15th Aug 2022, 21:05
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Originally Posted by Acepilothk99 View Post
Yup I am a cadet pilot and this is definitely what management has been saying to us. We have an unforgivable loan bound to us for 5 years which is payable according to an equation management came up with if you leave the company or get terminated "based on company discretion." The loan will take approximately 14,000 HKD (our monthly allowance) per month for the first 3 years which actually adds up to 504,000 HKD total. Half a f*cking million HKD. Even more deductions than the figures provided above. Absolutely ridiculous.

yeah but you didnít pay a single dollar towards your own training? Iíd consider that a pretty good deal unless of course you want to obtain a licence elsewhere at your own cost?
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Old 15th Aug 2022, 22:24
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Relative to the old contract where we did not have to repay the training bond the conditions have changed for the worse, much like everyones contract at cx
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Old 16th Aug 2022, 04:19
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Gents, I agree that my comment re the original post was perhaps a bit strong although the original post did suggest that a bond was something new which of course it is not.
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Old 17th Aug 2022, 12:39
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Originally Posted by Acepilothk99 View Post
Yup I am a cadet pilot and this is definitely what management has been saying to us. We have an unforgivable loan bound to us for 5 years which is payable according to an equation management came up with if you leave the company or get terminated "based on company discretion." The loan will take approximately 14,000 HKD (our monthly allowance) per month for the first 3 years which actually adds up to 504,000 HKD total. Half a f*cking million HKD. Even more deductions than the figures provided above. Absolutely ridiculous.
Not ridiculous enough to deter you from signing up though.
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Old 17th Aug 2022, 13:12
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You obviously have not seen the news with the shortening of quarantine times then? Most of CX passenger loads are at 98%

This will surely upset the doom and gloomers. They just can't/wont accept that HK is indeed opening up and it will get better.
https://simpleflying.com/cathay-paci...cent-increase/

From the article:

"On August 16th, Cathay Pacific released its traffic figures for July 2022, which revealed that the airline carried a total of 219,746 passengers, an increase of 306.2% compared to July 2021 but still 93.3% less than the pre-pandemic level in July 2019. Cathay’s passengerload factor increased by 44.7% to 73.3%, while capacity, measured in available seat kilometers (ASKs), increased by 74.6% year-on-year, but still 87.6% less than July 2019 levels."

So not only was your 98% load factor all made up (which I think we all knew) and greatly over-exaggerated, but the traffic is still a tiny fraction of pre-covid levels.
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