Adjustment to monthly allowance and CEA
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4k to FOs, 3k to CAPTs.. bit like throwing crumbs on the table. It's an insult.
Note that's in HKD/month and the increase is to the pilot allowance, not pay. If it were pay the company would thus indirectly increase the retirement pay... aren't they clever...
Crew also don't get this money till the start of next year! The cheapskates...
Is this the replacement for the company taking away housing and 90% ESF schooling?
Because were all on POS18 any increase can be taken away with a simple amendment, an amendment nobody would know had happened..
The union should see this as a sign of weakness for the company and approach the company with a better plan to stop crew from leaving?.... hmmm
Note that's in HKD/month and the increase is to the pilot allowance, not pay. If it were pay the company would thus indirectly increase the retirement pay... aren't they clever...
Crew also don't get this money till the start of next year! The cheapskates...
Is this the replacement for the company taking away housing and 90% ESF schooling?
Because were all on POS18 any increase can be taken away with a simple amendment, an amendment nobody would know had happened..
The union should see this as a sign of weakness for the company and approach the company with a better plan to stop crew from leaving?.... hmmm
Last edited by dabz; 21st April 2022 at 01:28.
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From: On a few nerves apparently
Another overt display of how out of touch and incompetent cathay management is about what they're facing. Too little too late indeed. The momentum is well set and under way. It's not reversible except only temporarily by very large increases.
7-18% raise in housing and equally measly increase to children's education allowance won't even register. Hong Kong was again just yesterday declared the most expensive city in the world to live in. Anything short of a restoration to the previous terms will not have an effect on the momentum, even then only temporarily.
Temporarily because any and all increases can and will be unilaterally and with no due notice be taken away leaving you regrettung not taking that safer job back home when you could. You'd have to be desperate or mentally ill to stay any longer than you have to at a job working under no contract. This is what cathay caused for itself by cancelling long standing employment contracts and keeping pilots employed under unilaterally amendable company policy. An utter lack of credibility, permanently.
There are some cathay pilots who are able to find jobs elsewhere and are leaving for another job. These are the lucky ones. There are also cathay pilots who are simply collapsing and are not able to continue working. The number of pilots who are out on sick leave due to stress and all the nasty issues and disabilities it brings are thru the roof. They simply fade away thru disability or they call it early retirement. The best cathay can hope for is to prevent these pilots from collapsing out of the job. I'm guessing they've come up with these low increases for that reason.
Because the ones who can find a job elsewhere will not be swayed at all with these ridiculously small increases.
7-18% raise in housing and equally measly increase to children's education allowance won't even register. Hong Kong was again just yesterday declared the most expensive city in the world to live in. Anything short of a restoration to the previous terms will not have an effect on the momentum, even then only temporarily.
Temporarily because any and all increases can and will be unilaterally and with no due notice be taken away leaving you regrettung not taking that safer job back home when you could. You'd have to be desperate or mentally ill to stay any longer than you have to at a job working under no contract. This is what cathay caused for itself by cancelling long standing employment contracts and keeping pilots employed under unilaterally amendable company policy. An utter lack of credibility, permanently.
There are some cathay pilots who are able to find jobs elsewhere and are leaving for another job. These are the lucky ones. There are also cathay pilots who are simply collapsing and are not able to continue working. The number of pilots who are out on sick leave due to stress and all the nasty issues and disabilities it brings are thru the roof. They simply fade away thru disability or they call it early retirement. The best cathay can hope for is to prevent these pilots from collapsing out of the job. I'm guessing they've come up with these low increases for that reason.
Because the ones who can find a job elsewhere will not be swayed at all with these ridiculously small increases.
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From: On a few nerves apparently
There will be no stopping crew from leaving. The union has zero ability to affect that. The only ones staying working without a contract permanently are the despatate ones or the mentally ill. They won't leave anyway even without increases. On them cathay's extra money is a waste to spend, on the ones who can leave and are smart enough to do so when they have the first chance cathay's extra money in increases is a waste because they're leaving asap anyway.
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From: the land of chocolate
OMG I already sent my resignation, do you think I can still withdraw it now that they are throwing soooo much cash around?
Serious answers only pls.
Serious answers only pls.
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From: Gate 69
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From: the land of chocolate
An that's because getting an SO is easy, apparently. The quality can be compromised, but it won't matter in the short term.
Keeping a good FO or Captain is more important, due to the fact that they are at the heart of a safe flight.
Hence only extra money for Captain and FO, it is very calculated.
The same with the education allowance; The SO with kids will get a little extra as he or she will likely be somewhat older and come with previous experience, hence a good investment to keep.
The thing they probably missed is that life at CX is such hell at the moment, that 3K here or there is not going to move the needle one bit.
There are actually many 'free' things they could do, to make life easier under these trying times, but they don't seem to be interested in working with us at all. Only throw a few coins our way.
Keeping a good FO or Captain is more important, due to the fact that they are at the heart of a safe flight.
Hence only extra money for Captain and FO, it is very calculated.
The same with the education allowance; The SO with kids will get a little extra as he or she will likely be somewhat older and come with previous experience, hence a good investment to keep.
The thing they probably missed is that life at CX is such hell at the moment, that 3K here or there is not going to move the needle one bit.
There are actually many 'free' things they could do, to make life easier under these trying times, but they don't seem to be interested in working with us at all. Only throw a few coins our way.
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From: the land of chocolate
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From: On a few nerves apparently
The article is ridiculously inaccurate. 93,000 raise? It doesn't add up anywhere near that number. SCMP as usual ha shown how ignorant and incompetent their journalists are.
Where's the AOA press release calling it BS? If you cant even run a public relation campaign against the company, shut it down already. How incompetent can the AOA be?
Where's the AOA press release calling it BS? If you cant even run a public relation campaign against the company, shut it down already. How incompetent can the AOA be?