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Originally Posted by CovidRefugee
How About Debbie chipping in with a few closed loop cycles? Isn't she an ex cabin crew manager? Maybe she could heat up the meals on the freighter.
I’ll get my coat.
Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
You mean for keeping the airline afloat so you can continue to get a salary for nothing?
or maybe there’s too much logic in that…
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
You mean for keeping the airline afloat so you can continue to get a salary for nothing?
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Fair enough. Let me re-phrase: stop the righteous judging of closed-loop volunteers. Mind your own business.
PS Any suggestion that starts with " If no one would.." is futile
PS Any suggestion that starts with " If no one would.." is futile
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
You mean for keeping the airline afloat so you can continue to get a salary for nothing?
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
True. For now.
false-airline bankrupt
for now- ??
Is this stating the airline is afloat due to closed loop or government money?
Or, the airline is now a zombie company?
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In seriousness, the government help is bifold: equity plus an optional loan. The equity deal has been done, the loan is on hold. At least that is my understanding.
According to Bloomberg the loan is structured like a developing country loan. In 2026 the annual repayment will be more that Cathay Pacific have ever made as a profit in a year.
A developing country has to give a sea port or a third of its agricultural produce to offset the loan. Cathay will have to give most of itself. Such is "Capitalism with Chinese characteristics"
A developing country has to give a sea port or a third of its agricultural produce to offset the loan. Cathay will have to give most of itself. Such is "Capitalism with Chinese characteristics"
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Zombie Company ??
Originally Posted by KABOY
true-airline solvent
false-airline bankrupt
for now- ??
Is this stating the airline is afloat due to closed loop or government money?
Or, the airline is now a zombie company?
false-airline bankrupt
for now- ??
Is this stating the airline is afloat due to closed loop or government money?
Or, the airline is now a zombie company?
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Originally Posted by Globocnik
Have they actually drawn down the government money ?
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Anxio, I remember reading that article and thinking it was like reading the financial version of the national enquirer. A load of sensationalist BS
If my memory is correct it was talking about an interest bill of $2billion HKD in 2025 or 2026 - we made 1.5-2Billion in the 2nd half of last year with less than half our aircraft flying and in the middle of a pandemic. We lost 32 Billion in fuel speculation over 4 years - so yeah, I think we can manage to make the interest payments on less than 30billion in loans at an interest rate that gradually catches up to around 5-6 %
CX aint going broke any time soon. Not this year anyway - if things stay locked down like they are on 10th of Feb for the rest of this year - we will still have probably half of that money left undrawn.
If my memory is correct it was talking about an interest bill of $2billion HKD in 2025 or 2026 - we made 1.5-2Billion in the 2nd half of last year with less than half our aircraft flying and in the middle of a pandemic. We lost 32 Billion in fuel speculation over 4 years - so yeah, I think we can manage to make the interest payments on less than 30billion in loans at an interest rate that gradually catches up to around 5-6 %
CX aint going broke any time soon. Not this year anyway - if things stay locked down like they are on 10th of Feb for the rest of this year - we will still have probably half of that money left undrawn.
Hold on to that thought NC. I can’t name a single airline ( other than the ones solely in Govt hands with long pockets such as the ME3 that tend not to publish results anyway) that can function without actually generating revenue. ie flying.
Where do the lease payments for -8’s, A320’s/ A321’s/A50’s figure in your calculations ? And that’s the CX fleet alone. HKE has a relatively young fleet. I can’t imagine that they’re all paid for. To say nothing of the rent etc on the tenanted land that the airline and subsidiaries occupy at CLK, rents at outports, leasing of APU’s/ power plants etc.
It’s a massive drain. And can only lead to the balance books going one way, in the absence of any real revenue.
Where do the lease payments for -8’s, A320’s/ A321’s/A50’s figure in your calculations ? And that’s the CX fleet alone. HKE has a relatively young fleet. I can’t imagine that they’re all paid for. To say nothing of the rent etc on the tenanted land that the airline and subsidiaries occupy at CLK, rents at outports, leasing of APU’s/ power plants etc.
It’s a massive drain. And can only lead to the balance books going one way, in the absence of any real revenue.
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