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Enough is Enough

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Enough is Enough

Old 17th Nov 2021, 23:12
  #41 (permalink)  
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 99
The more that people moan about working at CX the more they moan they can't go to 65 while working at CX. Instead the rumour mill floods with stories of mass resignations that never actually happen. '8 resigned yesterday, no it was 18, Hey did you hear it was 80, I got told 1080" Taking out the Base folk and the Voluntary redundancy folk from the movement in the seniority list and I've barely moved in the past 8 months.
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Old 18th Nov 2021, 00:04
  #42 (permalink)  
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Enough is enough but has the OP quit yet?

covid-19 is just the thin edge of the wedge.

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Old 18th Nov 2021, 02:07
  #43 (permalink)  
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he wants others to do the heavy lifting, yet mocks those who do.
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Old 18th Nov 2021, 02:19
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im in the top 15% of the seniority list (not that it means anything) and I’ve moved a couple of hundred places in the last 18 months so I don’t know what your looking at.
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Old 18th Nov 2021, 09:12
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Good times. 4 years on things are finally moving.
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Old 18th Nov 2021, 10:02
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Big money is behind all this. Airlines have managed to get pilots to pay for their own ATPL and type ratings, £120,000, thank you very much. As if that wasn't bad enough many pilots work long hours, have no annual pay review, and suffer ever worsening terms and conditions. It is not just CX, there is a similar thread to this running in the Middle East section, with allegations of an airline falsifying pilot duty hours.

The Airlines have got it all stitched up. I have been in 3 airlines, (none of them under discussion here), and the company councils were not effective in any of them - no strikes, always a fudge and acceptance of the new T's & C's. Pilots unions, are also ineffective, when was the last time there was industrial action against a new diktat? Why were the EASA flight time "limitations" accepted?

In a previous career, the broadcasting union was very strong. We had, and they continue to have, annual or biannual pay reviews, coupled with terms and conditions improvements to lifestyle and working hours. The broadcasting union also has a strong ethic to support those on the lower levels, new to the industry. Rogue broadcast companies are blacklisted in published lists. Strikes did occur, I went on strike a couple of times, once being interviewed by ITN when we had just walked out of the Ascot races broadcast: "Why had we gone on strike?, Sorry, no comment". Another time, at a large golf tournament, (cannot remember which one now), management took our places, and tried to produce the program, which was hilarious; One manager pointing a camera following what he thought was the golf ball flying through the air, only to realise it was a seagull !

I am absolutely not a raving left-winger, but a strong union with strong membership is essential in this day and age, particularly in our profession. The airline seniority system kills the will to strike - those at the top are often on part time and earning 4 times of those at the bottom, so the top earners have a much easier time and don't have the same schedules as the new, full-time joiners.

I can also imagine how an airline could neuter their company council, by offering self rostering, weekends off, posh meals out with the top brass, hints of RHS to LHS and LHS to TRE promotions and other incentives: to gently and subtly persuade CC members to go along with the CEOs and in turn persuade the workforce to follow.

I have never worked for CX nor have I ever served on a company council, so this is purely my own opinion, based on my own experience and observation, and I do not intend any offence to anybody. But we, the pilot community have got to do something to improve our industry.
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Old 18th Nov 2021, 16:42
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You bugger! Just caused me to waste half a glass of fine single malt laughing at this nonsense. You realize she got “approval” from the Kompany right? Anything she says and does is ChiComm approved and you say she’s taking a stand? Mighty gullible…
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 00:32
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Join Date: Feb 2021
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the truth. So pretty much just above regular attrition through retirements etc. Not a “mass exodus” that people on this forum love to sprout bs about.
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 07:52
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two a day for many months now, that is not normal, check the seniority list.
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 08:29
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Intelligent foreign pilots will be going home now.
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 11:19
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Just bring the operation to a halt. Christ stress alone should do it.
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 11:35
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As an ex CX from way back all I can say is what a shame such a great airline has come to this. The blame probably lies in many areas. My generation did not help, they enjoyed the best airline pilot package in the world and some (I repeat some) were keen to let others know and did not act with humility. Add several decades of toxic management coupled with their new friends in the upper echelons of flight operations and voila the Swiss cheese holes start to line up. It probably starts with the 49ers although it had been brewing before that. The star chamber of that time should be ashamed of themselves albeit now in their Queensland villas or Scottish castles. In recent years add Covid and an acquiescence to an authoritarian regime and we have the new normal which treats employees in this appalling fashion. The human propensity to destroy a good thing due greed and incompetence is extraordinary.
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Old 19th Nov 2021, 11:44
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And many a true word therein. To say nothing of what the mainland regime is actually doing to the fabric and the people of Hong Kong. A travesty
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Old 26th Nov 2021, 07:20
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Germany, South-East Bavaria (Oberbayern)
Age: 48
Posts: 27

Although I am neither affected nor active on Intagram, I can only agree. Her channel was mentioned in one of our internal forums and so many colleagues, including myself, learned of this scandal. For that she deserves recognition, whether you like her style personally or not.
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Old 26th Nov 2021, 07:29
  #55 (permalink)  
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Why no mention of BA crew locked up in penny bay in local news? Why not?
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Old 26th Nov 2021, 07:52
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Like someone else said, another German Wings in the making!

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Old 26th Nov 2021, 17:27
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Infections detected in HK...... 😱 Had enough ?

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