‘Game, set, match’ Cathay.
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‘Game, set, match’ Cathay.
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« Cathay Pacific Airways is to stop negotiating with its Flight Attendants Union (FAU) over pay and conditions, calling it an “outdated practice” no longer relevant to the modern world.In response, the union, which represents more than 80 per cent of existing staff, called the move its “greatest setback” in a decade.
The airline’s management said it would engage with employees directly through digital communication platforms, adding it would no longer recognise the “old fashioned confrontational legacy practices” of the past. »
« Cathay Pacific Airways is to stop negotiating with its Flight Attendants Union (FAU) over pay and conditions, calling it an “outdated practice” no longer relevant to the modern world.In response, the union, which represents more than 80 per cent of existing staff, called the move its “greatest setback” in a decade.
The airline’s management said it would engage with employees directly through digital communication platforms, adding it would no longer recognise the “old fashioned confrontational legacy practices” of the past. »
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CX a legacy carrier ?
Didn't almost all of the US 'legacy"outfits go broke with those left being saddled with many incredibly expensive 'long serving' cabin crew most who stopped actually serving the passengers a decade or so ago ?
The BA flight attendants union also rather shot themselves in the foot it seems resulting in a low cost BA cabin crew competitor with the high cost union members being slowly squeezed out ?
Didn't almost all of the US 'legacy"outfits go broke with those left being saddled with many incredibly expensive 'long serving' cabin crew most who stopped actually serving the passengers a decade or so ago ?
The BA flight attendants union also rather shot themselves in the foot it seems resulting in a low cost BA cabin crew competitor with the high cost union members being slowly squeezed out ?
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veryoldchinahand
Yup... This!
They refused to allow new contract crew to fly on the legacy fleets... That created "Mixed Fleet" where the company could do what they liked with their new, budget cabin crew.
All BA had to do was keep adding people to their new fleet and Bob's your uncle (helped along by Covid)
Yup... This!
They refused to allow new contract crew to fly on the legacy fleets... That created "Mixed Fleet" where the company could do what they liked with their new, budget cabin crew.
All BA had to do was keep adding people to their new fleet and Bob's your uncle (helped along by Covid)
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BA MF were indeed relatively "low cost", for sure, but they as a group became increasingly unionised and finally, eventually, even indulged in IA, so perhaps not quite the model Cathay management might have in mind...
https://de.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN15T27Y
https://de.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN15T27Y
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Originally Posted by SaulGoodman
Utter BS!!
Why don’t you ask the unions in US and European legacies?
Why don’t you ask the unions in US and European legacies?
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veryoldchinahand
While it’s true most US ‘Legacies’ have declared Ch.11 bankruptcy at some point, most were able to rebuild successfully back to profitability pre-covid. The unionisation of pilots and flight attendants has lead to the improvement and preservation of conditions (albeit losing pension programs which have been replaced by generous superannuation packages).
At the same time conditions at international ‘legacy’ outfits around the world have deteriorated. I’d be willing to go out on a limb and say that total compensation and conditions at US legacy airlines are way ahead of any airline gig around the world.
While it’s true most US ‘Legacies’ have declared Ch.11 bankruptcy at some point, most were able to rebuild successfully back to profitability pre-covid. The unionisation of pilots and flight attendants has lead to the improvement and preservation of conditions (albeit losing pension programs which have been replaced by generous superannuation packages).
At the same time conditions at international ‘legacy’ outfits around the world have deteriorated. I’d be willing to go out on a limb and say that total compensation and conditions at US legacy airlines are way ahead of any airline gig around the world.
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I also believe this is fact. Every US legacy airline is significantly ahead, in terms of total compensation, of the rest of the world carriers. For now at least. One thing for certain, things can change as Cathay has proven. Cathay was once ahead of the US legacies.
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Because I'm sure we'd all rather be back at our 'home' legacy carriers in Europe or US than in this 
working for these So it's an excellent barometer of our poor decision making coming to Cathay in the first place.
working for these So it's an excellent barometer of our poor decision making coming to Cathay in the first place.
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If you compare CX with Asian airlines and not with the 64 year old captain at UPS one would get a more helpful and (slightly) less depressing picture.
Piet, you are misled that I enjoy being with CX, quite the opposite actually. The difference between you and me is that I blame the market, you blame management or co-workers.
PS The median pay in the US pre-covid was 120 k USD. Before tax.
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportati...ial-pilots.htm
Piet, you are misled that I enjoy being with CX, quite the opposite actually. The difference between you and me is that I blame the market, you blame management or co-workers.
PS The median pay in the US pre-covid was 120 k USD. Before tax.
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportati...ial-pilots.htm
Last edited by Sam Ting Wong; 31st Dec 2020 at 09:44.
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Sam Ting Wong
What a crock of sh**. A fifth year UPS captain made $287,000 dollars at guarantee on the 2018 salary scale. I don't know what it is now. And don't forget, they go by years in company not years in seat when you upgrade, so most of their captains are making more than that. I don't have my w-2 in front of me but I think I made 15,000 less than that as a based captain in 2019. I know they shoved that POS CoS down your throat over there, but it's an abomination. I know they are gonna try to shove it down my throat as well. Median my ass. I don't fly a damned RJ. So you can stuff that argument STW. When things turn around (and they will), and they are trying to get the jets out of the desert and back in the air, you boys in HKG better pay them back in spades.
What a crock of sh**. A fifth year UPS captain made $287,000 dollars at guarantee on the 2018 salary scale. I don't know what it is now. And don't forget, they go by years in company not years in seat when you upgrade, so most of their captains are making more than that. I don't have my w-2 in front of me but I think I made 15,000 less than that as a based captain in 2019. I know they shoved that POS CoS down your throat over there, but it's an abomination. I know they are gonna try to shove it down my throat as well. Median my ass. I don't fly a damned RJ. So you can stuff that argument STW. When things turn around (and they will), and they are trying to get the jets out of the desert and back in the air, you boys in HKG better pay them back in spades.
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Many mainline US Captains are making close to $500k (some close to $1m with overtime at Fedex). That does not even include their medical and retirement benefits. At one time CX provided the best package in the industry. How the mighty have fallen...
