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Group redundacy, BS

Old 17th Sep 2020, 04:47
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Group redundacy, BS

DPA, proposing group seniority for redundancy?
WTF?
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 05:01
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Originally Posted by turnandburn View Post
DPA, proposing group seniority for redundancy?
WTF?
Across the entire group, CX, KA, AHK and HKE ?
Not that the latter two would have too much bearing on it.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 05:25
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That sounds like a great idea. CX bought out KA in 2006 I think, so all KA employees should be below the most junior CX employee on that date.

Careful what you wish for...
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 05:45
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Originally Posted by turnandburn View Post
DPA, proposing group seniority for redundancy?
WTF?
Where did you dig that shit?
I haven't read what you're writing in the communication we received from the DPA.

What I understand with the proposal is that pilots from the group should be offered any job opening in the 4 airlines before external recruitment.
HKE hired pilots 3 months ago and they will keep there jobs when you might be sacked after 20 years of work with KA, same applying for CX.

KA is not fighting against CX or any other airline owned by Swire but our union is suggesting a fair approach to dismissal and recruitment across the group.

I don't think KA is more at risk than CX for redundancies, If China open the gates we're back flying. CX will need many travel bublles before it can resume operations
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 07:33
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At least dpa is proposing something, sweet fa from the aoa.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 13:25
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Agreed, at least the DPA is doing SOMETHING! Whether it is right or wrong???

The HKAOA is paralyzed between the interests of expats and the prodigal children who want their inheritance early.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 13:53
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What I don’t get is why are they even showing their cards when the deck hasn’t even been dealt?
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 14:08
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The poker analogy is apt. Either they are hopeless poker players, or they are throwing the "hail mary" pass in the dying seconds of the football game. I do particularly like the "transfer to another group airline on original COS" and "no COS changes for KA pilots". Ballsy. Ultimately, I think it demonstrates the desperation that is prevalent in their ranks.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 14:26
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Really like how KA is trying to throw everyone else under the bus and keep what’s best for them
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 14:50
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
Agreed, at least the DPA is doing SOMETHING! Whether it is right or wrong???

The HKAOA is paralyzed between the interests of expats and the prodigal children who want their inheritance early.
I guess you forgot CX cancelled the recognition and GFBA agreements with the HKAOA. As such, the HKAOA really does not represent the CX pilots on contractual or other issues anymore. CX can, after the 90 day cancellation period is completed, bargain with the CX pilots directly.
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 16:20
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Originally Posted by WeelardPassord View Post
Really like how KA is trying to throw everyone else under the bus and keep what’s best for them
How? Or even how likely?

If HKE is going to be the big winner taking narrow body flying, why wouldn't the DPA try and secure transfers for possible redundant pilots? From what I've read here over the years, that option would be beneath CX pilots.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 04:41
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Originally Posted by hkgfooey View Post
The source would be the "Proposals to Cathay Dragon" document dated September 10 by the DPA. (the one that is not endorsed confidential or copyright, and has done the rounds on social media, no point trying to deny it does not exist).



The DPA proposal advocates
- no forced redundancies for KA pilots
- no COS changes for KA pilots
- $65,000 pm allowances while on SLV
- transfer to another Group airline on current COS
- original group date of joining in new Group airline for salary and benefits
- seniority based on years of service in CX group
- 18 months pay plus 3 months housing for voluntary separation
You forgot to add a) a Ferrari for every pilot, b) 3 months annual leave each year, c) a house on The Peak and d) free dental care.
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Old 18th Sep 2020, 10:15
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Its strange that employees worry about Group redundancies whilst the leaders/owners play games.

I suggest you google Sasha Swires Diaries to see whats important to them.
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Old 21st Sep 2020, 18:37
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listen for the numbers

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Old 24th Sep 2020, 02:27
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Originally Posted by WeelardPassord View Post
Really like how KA is trying to throw everyone else under the bus and keep what’s best for them
KA pilots and DPA have always done their own thing and for the large part did better than CX pilots and HKAOA. This "I'm alright Jack, f*** you" attitude
has come back to bite them in the ass now. "You reep what you sow".
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 02:55
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You've been consistently wrong, in what were not inside snippets, but predictions intent on unsettling or inflaming. Here you go again- this is just another example.

Whatever will happen has nothing to do with with where the HKAOA/ DPA relationship sits now or previously. Personally, I never understood why we were not closer, in better days when our expansion was seeing very rapid commands. But as with the DPA probably pursuing HKE narrow body slots for redundant pilots, the CX union has had little interest in narrow body flying for members.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 03:26
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What good does the DPA have going after any slots with HKE? Last I heard was 60 something CPT and FO in training there, all 321 to Alice and one route with 3 flights a week. That sounds like slots are filled for the foreseeable future.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 03:59
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I'd be guessing, it's in anticipation of some sort of 2021 recovery, with a probable expansion of HKE over KA leisure routes.

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Old 24th Sep 2020, 05:31
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Who cares what the dpa proposed.... fact is, the company has a very good idea of what they need to do by now, and it will be done, regardless of any proposal put forward by either the aoa or dpa.
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Old 24th Sep 2020, 06:47
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
KA pilots and DPA have always done their own thing and for the large part did better than CX pilots and HKAOA. This "I'm alright Jack, f*** you" attitude
has come back to bite them in the ass now. "You reep what you sow".
That's TRUE!!
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