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Australia closed to foreigners until 2021

Old 19th Jun 2020, 06:46
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Originally Posted by michigan j View Post
Mind expanding on how this is good news for CX and other airlines?
For us the Australian restrictions are a fairly minor problem compared to HKís own 14 day quarantine. That is set to continue until Sept 18 at least for HK residents and donít forget that the ban on entry of non-residents is currently indefinite.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 08:10
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
Australian citizens can fly into the country. There has NEVER been any restriction on that.
The overseas students bring in income and keep the universities working. The students will have to do 14 days quarantine.
Let go of your racism and make some room for some common sense and perhaps a few seconds of research.
Yes, and should do the same.

We don't have an education industry, we have a path to PR Visa industry, take that away and see how many students come here for our world class education. The universities have prostituted themselves on foreign students to the point they'd have difficulty surviving without them, VCs on 1.5m salaries while the lecturers and tutors are being starved. Quarantine paid for by the tax payer, this is the new (not so quite new) Australian economy; Ticket clipping with the profits privatised and losses socialised.

Now RE industry needs them, though up until CV19 we were told that Chinese buyers didn't have any impact on house prices or rents, now they're telling us property is dead without them; let it die!
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 08:16
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
WA will crack quickly once they start missing out on domestic tourism and international student money. The only thing holding it back now is Victoria is just creating enough bad press to give him something to hold onto his PR but the dollars will trump it soon.
Like you said to the fellow before. Research!

WA has a very low number of foreign students.

Edit: Btw, I think it's highly likely WA would have more people leaving the state than coming in.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 08:30
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In 5 years we will look back at this fiasco and wonder how did world get this so wrong. Our leaders have systemically over-reacted and cocked it up. They have ruined a thousand times more lives than this virus could ever. But nary a whisper about fixing things that kill hundreds of thousands of people year in, year out. Obesity, diabetes, smoking, alcohol, drugs, HIV/AIDS. If closing down the worlds economy is the reaction to a sniffle (which Coronavirus really is), imagine if Ebola got out.

In Australia we have 3 people in ICU for the whole of Australia. This has been a farce from day one. Already, Influenza has killed 4x the amount of people but it doesn't even rate a mention, let alone a lockdown.

The world has lost its collective mind.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 08:41
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2017 50,000 International students.
1.9 Billion dollars.
Source WA Gov website
Sounds like more than ‘Not many’ to me.

More people leaving than coming in...you might suppose a few of them would book through WA travel agents, buy a bag and some nice new clothes to travel from a WA shop, catch a WA taxi, park a car at the WA airport, buy meals at the WA airport, a book at the newsagent there, be checked in by a lovely WA employee of their airline as the WA bag handler drop kicks their bag, whilst the WA engineer checks their aircraft after being refuelled by the WA refueller just before being cleared for takeoff by the WA based tower controller...Or none of this so the premier can keep his ratings high as employment soars.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 09:01
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
I did
2017 50,000 International students.
1.9 Billion dollars.
Source WA Gov website
Sounds like more than ĎNot manyí to me.

More people leaving than coming in...you might suppose a few of them would book through WA travel agents, buy a bag and some nice new clothes to travel from a WA shop, catch a WA taxi, park a car at the WA airport, buy meals at the WA airport, a book at the newsagent there, be checked in by a lovely WA employee of their airline as the WA bag handler drop kicks their bag, whilst the WA engineer checks their aircraft after being refuelled by the WA refueller just before being cleared for takeoff by the WA based tower controller...Or none of this so the premier can keep his ratings high as employment soars.
Not according to https://www.australianuniversities.c...udent-numbers/

37,000 and that includes 1,700 at non uni higher ed.

Your only interest is your own.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 09:12
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Originally Posted by nomorecatering View Post
In 5 years we will look back at this fiasco and wonder how did world get this so wrong. Our leaders have systemically over-reacted and cocked it up. They have ruined a thousand times more lives than this virus could ever. But nary a whisper about fixing things that kill hundreds of thousands of people year in, year out. Obesity, diabetes, smoking, alcohol, drugs, HIV/AIDS. If closing down the worlds economy is the reaction to a sniffle (which Coronavirus really is), imagine if Ebola got out.

In Australia we have 3 people in ICU for the whole of Australia. This has been a farce from day one. Already, Influenza has killed 4x the amount of people but it doesn't even rate a mention, let alone a lockdown.

The world has lost its collective mind.
I suggest you run this: https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2562261/
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 09:22
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Ex, when we assume...you know the rest. What interest do I have in this?

If you don’t agree with the figures I have you best take it up with the WA Gov because they are from their website.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 09:41
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
Ex, when we assume...you know the rest. What interest do I have in this?

If you donít agree with the figures I have you best take it up with the WA Gov because they are from their website.
No, this numbers include non-uni students such as tafe and those in public schools. If you believe the inflated numbers on earnings, go for it.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 09:56
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So you will believe the WA government that the borders should stay shut against the Federal governments advice but you won’t believe the WA governments figure on how much all the international students contribute to the economy?
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 10:02
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
If you donít agree with the figures I have you best take it up with the WA Gov because they are from their website.
The figures you quoted are out of date. WA suffered a large drop in international students in 2018 after the State Government asked the Commonwealth to remove WA from the Regional Sponsored Migration Scheme. That move saw WA's intake of international students drop from 11 per cent of the total market share to just 5 per cent. In June 2019, WA had only about 39,000 international students.

The State Government reversed its position on the RSMS late last year, but the epidemic has put paid to any recovery in numbers.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 10:13
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Buzz, that’s not fair introducing well researched up to date facts into a debate on PPRuNe!!!!!

Still 39,000 students would add to the economy but there is a lot of work to be done and that is only a small part. I agree with keeping the international borders shut for a long time yet. Initially the state borders too but the pendulum needs to swing back to getting the country working again and we have the resources to deal with any implications from that IMHO. The shutting the borders now is all about premiers and their ratings not the medical advice they are getting.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 10:26
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Originally Posted by Mill Worker View Post
1. This is good news. The virus can't swim here so the fewer people arriving the better.
Sure about that?

https://www.intrafish.com/coronaviru...ina/2-1-746616
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 11:32
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Ah the irony of China wanting to investigate Norwegian fish plants to find the origin of this latest outbreak
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 11:43
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Originally Posted by angryrat View Post
Ah the irony of China wanting to investigate Norwegian fish plants to find the origin of this latest outbreak

Agreed scandalous. That well known home of low hygiene and ethical standards, Scandinavia.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 12:12
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles View Post
The shutting the borders now is all about premiers and their ratings not the medical advice they are getting.
Even the 'experts' can't agree. WA's Chief Health Officer believes the state border should remain closed until community spread is eliminated in the other states:
Statement from WA Chief Health Officer: COVID-19 restrictions in Western Australia
Should Australian states ditch coronavirus border restrictions? Even medical experts can't agree on that

That advice was given a month ago and since then there's been no indication he has changed his position. Nevertheless, the WA Government is under a lot of pressure to make an announcement to provide clarity for affected businesses:
WA in 'advanced stages' of discussions to reopen border as Minister admits the community wants clarity
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 15:24
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Originally Posted by Mill Worker View Post
1. This is good news. The virus can't swim here so the fewer people arriving the better.
2. The taxpayer is still funding 14 days in quarantine. This is ridiculous. If you have a legitimate reason to enter the country you should fully fund it. There was ample time to come back prior to these restrictions being put in place.
3. Australia has largely escaped this problem because of border restrictions.
"The virus can't swim here so the fewer people arriving the better." Maybe the Lurgy will swim over in a A multi-purpose vessel(MPV) Freemantle.Always amazes me that people think that aviation is the only way to carry the dreaded Lurgy.
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Old 19th Jun 2020, 20:33
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Originally Posted by rmcdonal View Post
Quarantine is there to protect the Australian public, not those returning to Australia, so why should the travellers pay for your safety? Prisoners don't pay for their jail.
Prisoners most definitely SHOULD pay for their own jail with their labour. They are an expensive burden on society, in jail, in courts, in the public.
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Old 20th Jun 2020, 07:13
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ExfocCX, that running table is misleading, leaving out the fourteen or so main reasons people die every year. This table for 2017 is indicative:


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Old 20th Jun 2020, 11:14
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Originally Posted by main_dog View Post
ExfocCX, that running table is misleading, leaving out the fourteen or so main reasons people die every year. This table for 2017 is indicative:


Perhaps not. The running table only covers the six months till June. Your table covers a whole year. In another six months there will be data for a useful comparison.

I found it interesting to see at what point Covid 19 passed regular influenza if nothing else.
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