Airlines Reaction to COVID 19
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That’s right and HKG in particular has done fantastically well with only one new case yesterday and that was imported.
The big problem now is how do we open our border and start flying again. No one is suggesting a solution yet, it is all supposition and guesswork.
Oz base now on 50% pay. What is their next move with the rest of us?
The big problem now is how do we open our border and start flying again. No one is suggesting a solution yet, it is all supposition and guesswork.
Oz base now on 50% pay. What is their next move with the rest of us?
Accurate and fast testing as part of checkin
Accurate and fast testing on arrival
Smart phone contact tracking
Adequate medical resources to manage the flow of new cases
Improved medication to assist the sick
Normalisation of a level of virus death
All of these areas are rapidly evolving.
For us: 1/2 pay Aussi, 20% pay cut Canada and USA. Considering what the Aussi Stand Down provisions allow for it could be a lot worse. Considered the cash reserves CX has, it could also be a lot better.
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Humanity (and specifically Asia) definitely needs to clean up its act re wildlife markets. Not forgetting that many recent epidemics arose elsewhere (Marburg/Ebola in Africa, Swine flu in the US, MERS in Saudi).
To be fair though, half of the world’s population is Asian and they tend to be more densely populated countries, stands to reason that a good half of new human diseases should spring up here.
To be fair though, half of the world’s population is Asian and they tend to be more densely populated countries, stands to reason that a good half of new human diseases should spring up here.
Second, you might be forgetting the Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, Avian (bird) flu, and SARS (the other corona virus). You are correct though, wildlife markets ought to be made illegal in all countries, and most especially in China which is attempting “superpower” status.
For clarity though, there is compelling evidence that COVID-19 escaped from one of the two virology labs in Wuhan. It was not from the wet market, as there were no horseshoe bats there or nearby and many of the first infected had no connection to the wet market. That is a coverup lie propagated by the ChiComs, and eagerly gobbled up by their surrogates in the media.
As for high density populations in Asia, all the more reason to clean up the hygiene standards in the food markets. It’s one thing when a country is poor, it is something else when people decide to be disgusting.
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Firstly, swine flu’s origin was Mexico, not US.
Second, you might be forgetting the Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, Avian (bird) flu, and SARS (the other corona virus). You are correct though, wildlife markets ought to be made illegal in all countries, and most especially in China which is attempting “superpower” status.
For clarity though, there is compelling evidence that COVID-19 escaped from one of the two virology labs in Wuhan. It was not from the wet market, as there were no horseshoe bats there or nearby and many of the first infected had no connection to the wet market. That is a coverup lie propagated by the ChiComs, and eagerly gobbled up by their surrogates in the media.
As for high density populations in Asia, all the more reason to clean up the hygiene standards in the food markets. It’s one thing when a country is poor, it is something else when people decide to be disgusting.
Second, you might be forgetting the Asian flu, Hong Kong flu, Avian (bird) flu, and SARS (the other corona virus). You are correct though, wildlife markets ought to be made illegal in all countries, and most especially in China which is attempting “superpower” status.
For clarity though, there is compelling evidence that COVID-19 escaped from one of the two virology labs in Wuhan. It was not from the wet market, as there were no horseshoe bats there or nearby and many of the first infected had no connection to the wet market. That is a coverup lie propagated by the ChiComs, and eagerly gobbled up by their surrogates in the media.
As for high density populations in Asia, all the more reason to clean up the hygiene standards in the food markets. It’s one thing when a country is poor, it is something else when people decide to be disgusting.
The virus’s genome has been sequenced, and if it had been altered, we would expect to see signs of inserted gene sequences. But we now know the points that differ from bat viruses are scattered in a fairly random way, just as they would be if the new virus had evolved naturally.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/term/co...#ixzz6Jq5akj9c
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From New Scientist:
The virus’s genome has been sequenced, and if it had been altered, we would expect to see signs of inserted gene sequences. But we now know the points that differ from bat viruses are scattered in a fairly random way, just as they would be if the new virus had evolved naturally.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/term/co...#ixzz6Jq5akj9c
The virus’s genome has been sequenced, and if it had been altered, we would expect to see signs of inserted gene sequences. But we now know the points that differ from bat viruses are scattered in a fairly random way, just as they would be if the new virus had evolved naturally.
Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/term/co...#ixzz6Jq5akj9c
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I never wrote that the virus had inserted sequencing or is a bio-weapon. That doesn’t mean it didn’t escape from a lab where the ChiComs study corona viruses, perhaps for legitimate research purposes, and specifically from horseshoe bats. Don’t confuse it not being a manmade weapon from the likelihood that a naturally occurring corona virus escaped due to shoddy safety protocols.
Most of the “hypotheses” re viral escape are from the US. I take anything that can be used as political capital with a big pinch of salt.
Also with their history re id seriously doubt if they didnt have their act sorted.
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Point taken. However this particular virus closely resembles those found in bats and pangolins and has not been (previously) the focus of study because of its lack of impact on humans.
Most of the “hypotheses” re viral escape are from the US. I take anything that can be used as political capital with a big pinch of salt.
Also with their history re id seriously doubt if they didnt have their act sorted.
Most of the “hypotheses” re viral escape are from the US. I take anything that can be used as political capital with a big pinch of salt.
Also with their history re id seriously doubt if they didnt have their act sorted.
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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html
The 2009 Swine Flu was first detected in the US, although yes there is speculation that it may have originated across the border. It may just be that the US had the technical capacity and epidemiological nous to detect it first.
Anyway Mexico/US/China/Saudi or Africa, it doesn’t really matter: finger-pointing is not constructive unless you’re a politician trying to defend your job (after spectacularly dropping the ball). Learning from previous crises to avoid or contain the next is key, like HKG did by learning after SARS.
The 2009 Swine Flu was first detected in the US, although yes there is speculation that it may have originated across the border. It may just be that the US had the technical capacity and epidemiological nous to detect it first.
Anyway Mexico/US/China/Saudi or Africa, it doesn’t really matter: finger-pointing is not constructive unless you’re a politician trying to defend your job (after spectacularly dropping the ball). Learning from previous crises to avoid or contain the next is key, like HKG did by learning after SARS.
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My understanding is that 20% was the max allowable under the UK Govt Income recovery rules. Anyone with other info to confirm or to the contrary? I hear the NA bases are about to be contacted next.
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https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-pandemic.html
The 2009 Swine Flu was first detected in the US, although yes there is speculation that it may have originated across the border. It may just be that the US had the technical capacity and epidemiological nous to detect it first.
Anyway Mexico/US/China/Saudi or Africa, it doesn’t really matter: finger-pointing is not constructive unless you’re a politician trying to defend your job (after spectacularly dropping the ball). Learning from previous crises to avoid or contain the next is key, like HKG did by learning after SARS.
The 2009 Swine Flu was first detected in the US, although yes there is speculation that it may have originated across the border. It may just be that the US had the technical capacity and epidemiological nous to detect it first.
Anyway Mexico/US/China/Saudi or Africa, it doesn’t really matter: finger-pointing is not constructive unless you’re a politician trying to defend your job (after spectacularly dropping the ball). Learning from previous crises to avoid or contain the next is key, like HKG did by learning after SARS.
Sorry, but that’s huge. China’s actions will become known and exposed eventually. The truth has a sneaky way of finding its way into the light eventually. If the rest of the world is brave enough to hold China accountable, then their economy is finished, and CX with it.
At that point, it won’t matter whether you’re on 50% or 80% pay. Business as usual is a long ways off, if it ever returns. Ideally, HK would be catapulting itself back into the arms of the West, but that ship has already sailed.
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Sorry, but that’s huge. China’s actions will become known and exposed eventually. The truth has a sneaky way of finding its way into the light eventually. If the rest of the world is brave enough to hold China accountable, then their economy is finished, and CX with it.
The virus first appeared at the very end of November/beginning December. It is a matter of public record the WHO was officially informed by the 31st of December, and by the first week of January Chinese scientists had also sequenced it and revealed it to be a novel form of coronavirus, transmissible from human to human.
Since early January then, the ball has been in our court, and frankly, as western countries we’ve generally not done too well. While HKG, Macao and Taiwan reacted immediately (as in, beginning January) by tightening screening and imposing isolation on travelers from the affected areas, as late as end-February some western heads of state were still downplaying the risks and failing to prepare.
It’s more immediately satisfying (and career-serving for our politicians) to point fingers, blame others and absolve ourselves, but it would be more useful to look to countries that have successfully dealt with the issue before us (think S Korea) and try to mimic their methods (namely aggressive testing and contact tracing).
This is the only rational course of action, and the one that would save most lives (not to mention jobs) in the long run. So I won’t hold my breath.
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Redundancy
That’s right and HKG in particular has done fantastically well with only one new case yesterday and that was imported.
The big problem now is how do we open our border and start flying again. No one is suggesting a solution yet, it is all supposition and guesswork.
Oz base now on 50% pay. What is their next move with the rest of us?
The big problem now is how do we open our border and start flying again. No one is suggesting a solution yet, it is all supposition and guesswork.
Oz base now on 50% pay. What is their next move with the rest of us?
Clever way around reverse seniority eh !!
