And so it starts .....
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And so it starts .....
The CP's have sent out their letters pleading with the pilots to bend over backwards again and take another bat up the ar*** for the team. We're all in the company together they say. Is that the same company who only last December declared that
the pilots were not part of the same family. The family that got a 2% pay rise, the family that received a full 13th month. Well family, ground as many planes as you like, when you need to fly them you will need PILOTS and that's the big lesson you need to learn and learn it well.
Stick to your guns guys and gals.
the pilots were not part of the same family. The family that got a 2% pay rise, the family that received a full 13th month. Well family, ground as many planes as you like, when you need to fly them you will need PILOTS and that's the big lesson you need to learn and learn it well.
Stick to your guns guys and gals.
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Unfortunately the current climate didn’t straighten the rubber backbone of the cx pilot population.
A lot of them can and will bend over backwards with that rubber backbone.
A good friend of mine just took SLS “because when they start laying people off they might remember who wasn’t helping them out”.
Very disappointing to say the least, but I’ve come to accept the reality that not many have the balls to take a stand against management for fear of retribution.
A lot of them can and will bend over backwards with that rubber backbone.
A good friend of mine just took SLS “because when they start laying people off they might remember who wasn’t helping them out”.
Very disappointing to say the least, but I’ve come to accept the reality that not many have the balls to take a stand against management for fear of retribution.
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You guys need a reality check and wake up and smell the coffee.
You can have all the backbone you want, but it's going to be of very little use without a job.
You can have all the backbone you want, but it's going to be of very little use without a job.
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It doesn't matter if you take SLS or not. Either option leads to the same soulless conclusion: the company is lawless, cynical, manipulative and threatening. Additionally, it is effectively doomed to a dystopian future in a slowly dying city, under the gaze of an oppressive tyrannical government. No pilot who desires a stable, rewarding and mentally healthy career can ever expect such an outcome with CX. Everyone knows that. The real test as an individual is to recognise reality, and then act on it. There really is no other option but to pack up and leave. Taking SLS or not won't alter that outcome. I left and it's only after you have cut the cord, and with the benefit of some distance do you realise how truly dysfunctional CX is.
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I mean the company has a bigger problem now than during SARS, in fact bigger than anything ever in its history.
The fact that it is spreading quite well in Singapore with the high temperatures over there leads me to believe that it will stick around during the summer as well.
Supply problems out of China will probably lead to a global slowdown, which also wont be helpful.
Even if the virus is stopped, the protests might be back.
Hopefully the oil price will go lower, as long as we didn't muck up the hedge again..
Chinese airlines will be bailed out, we won't.
The fact that it is spreading quite well in Singapore with the high temperatures over there leads me to believe that it will stick around during the summer as well.
Supply problems out of China will probably lead to a global slowdown, which also wont be helpful.
Even if the virus is stopped, the protests might be back.
Hopefully the oil price will go lower, as long as we didn't muck up the hedge again..
Chinese airlines will be bailed out, we won't.
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I mean the company has a bigger problem now than during SARS, in fact bigger than anything ever in its history.
The fact that it is spreading quite well in Singapore with the high temperatures over there leads me to believe that it will stick around during the summer as well.
Supply problems out of China will probably lead to a global slowdown, which also wont be helpful.
Even if the virus is stopped, the protests might be back.
Hopefully the oil price will go lower, as long as we didn't muck up the hedge again..
Chinese airlines will be bailed out, we won't.
The fact that it is spreading quite well in Singapore with the high temperatures over there leads me to believe that it will stick around during the summer as well.
Supply problems out of China will probably lead to a global slowdown, which also wont be helpful.
Even if the virus is stopped, the protests might be back.
Hopefully the oil price will go lower, as long as we didn't muck up the hedge again..
Chinese airlines will be bailed out, we won't.
I personally believe it’s less than a week. The only way to save CX, if it gets to that point, is creditors, additional stock offerings, and/or cash infusion by current shareholders (Swire, Mainland, Qatar). Right? Certainly, employee sacrifice doesn’t go very far.
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OK, those are all rational statements. So what does taking three weeks unpaid leave do for the survival of the airline? One week? Two? A month?
I personally believe it’s less than a week. The only way to save CX, if it gets to that point, is creditors, additional stock offerings, and/or cash infusion by current shareholders (Swire, Mainland, Qatar). Right? Certainly, employee sacrifice doesn’t go very far.
I personally believe it’s less than a week. The only way to save CX, if it gets to that point, is creditors, additional stock offerings, and/or cash infusion by current shareholders (Swire, Mainland, Qatar). Right? Certainly, employee sacrifice doesn’t go very far.
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In NC's absence, some very rough, back of the fag packet calcs, done at the back of the bus:
Sending only 25 Captains on a base for 6 years would save as much as every single Captain (1500-ish?) taking SLS, just from housing.
I know it's not an immediate saving, but the comparison continues to beg the question about bases.
Sending only 25 Captains on a base for 6 years would save as much as every single Captain (1500-ish?) taking SLS, just from housing.
I know it's not an immediate saving, but the comparison continues to beg the question about bases.
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Does anyone here really believe that the future of a solid company can change based on a few pilots and cabin crew taking some unpaid leave? Do you realize the size of the bonuses the people at the top have been rewarding themselves with in the last few decades?
Honestly, what I hear from pilots sometimes really males me wonder
Honestly, what I hear from pilots sometimes really males me wonder
In NC's absence, some very rough, back of the fag packet calcs, done at the back of the bus:
Sending only 25 Captains on a base for 6 years would save as much as every single Captain (1500-ish?) taking SLS, just from housing.
I know it's not an immediate saving, but the comparison continues to beg the question about bases.
Sending only 25 Captains on a base for 6 years would save as much as every single Captain (1500-ish?) taking SLS, just from housing.
I know it's not an immediate saving, but the comparison continues to beg the question about bases.
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I have asked a few managers in my time: “why are you not interested in or willing or able to invest in the goodwill of your personnel?
The answer in some form or another was always that the beancounters can not put a number to goodwill into their spreadsheets.
Besides the fact that they can, since there have been multiple reputable studies done to prove that you can (between 8-12% of your salary costs), their disinterest is now biting them in the ass.
Can you imagine a workforce that will bend over backwards to help out your company in your time of need in stead of giving you the middle finger that you have shown them for years?
I can, because I used to be part of one.
Just not in HKG.
Too bad, the responsible people have already lined their pockets, but fortunately there is a thing like “karma”.
The answer in some form or another was always that the beancounters can not put a number to goodwill into their spreadsheets.
Besides the fact that they can, since there have been multiple reputable studies done to prove that you can (between 8-12% of your salary costs), their disinterest is now biting them in the ass.
Can you imagine a workforce that will bend over backwards to help out your company in your time of need in stead of giving you the middle finger that you have shown them for years?
I can, because I used to be part of one.
Just not in HKG.
Too bad, the responsible people have already lined their pockets, but fortunately there is a thing like “karma”.
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I think this SLS proposition would be VERY different if CX had a history (like DL does) of having a meaningful profit share.
Instead, CX steals from its employees during the good times by attacking benefits like housing, medical, and rosters. All the while they pump cash into shareholder dividends, management bonuses, and crazy gambles like the fuel hedging debacle. Then, during tough times, CX asks ALL employees for a salary concession. Fair??? No, either suck it up and reduce your dividends and bonuses OR get the furloughs going... but you aren’t taking my pay!
Instead, CX steals from its employees during the good times by attacking benefits like housing, medical, and rosters. All the while they pump cash into shareholder dividends, management bonuses, and crazy gambles like the fuel hedging debacle. Then, during tough times, CX asks ALL employees for a salary concession. Fair??? No, either suck it up and reduce your dividends and bonuses OR get the furloughs going... but you aren’t taking my pay!
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Just a thought from outside CX & KA.
If the situation gets worse than it is now, would CXKA ask for more unpaid Leave?
If so, and if redundancies are made, would they payback money to those who loose their jobs?
What financial contributions, if any, is made by the big owners ie Swire and CAAC?
Is the company protecting the pilots by steralizing (sorry if misspelt) the flight decks on every handover? and are they supplying face masks etc?
If not, how can you operate unprotected, and what does your union say about that?
Do you honestly think that 3 weeks of your salary is going to save CXKA? if not, then get out NOW.
God bless you all
If the situation gets worse than it is now, would CXKA ask for more unpaid Leave?
If so, and if redundancies are made, would they payback money to those who loose their jobs?
What financial contributions, if any, is made by the big owners ie Swire and CAAC?
Is the company protecting the pilots by steralizing (sorry if misspelt) the flight decks on every handover? and are they supplying face masks etc?
If not, how can you operate unprotected, and what does your union say about that?
Do you honestly think that 3 weeks of your salary is going to save CXKA? if not, then get out NOW.
God bless you all
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I have asked a few managers in my time: “why are you not interested in or willing or able to invest in the goodwill of your personnel?
The answer in some form or another was always that the beancounters can not put a number to goodwill into their spreadsheets.
Besides the fact that they can, since there have been multiple reputable studies done to prove that you can (between 8-12% of your salary costs), their disinterest is now biting them in the ass.
Can you imagine a workforce that will bend over backwards to help out your company in your time of need in stead of giving you the middle finger that you have shown them for years?
I can, because I used to be part of one.
Just not in HKG.
Too bad, the responsible people have already lined their pockets, but fortunately there is a thing like “karma”.
The answer in some form or another was always that the beancounters can not put a number to goodwill into their spreadsheets.
Besides the fact that they can, since there have been multiple reputable studies done to prove that you can (between 8-12% of your salary costs), their disinterest is now biting them in the ass.
Can you imagine a workforce that will bend over backwards to help out your company in your time of need in stead of giving you the middle finger that you have shown them for years?
I can, because I used to be part of one.
Just not in HKG.
Too bad, the responsible people have already lined their pockets, but fortunately there is a thing like “karma”.
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I think this SLS proposition would be VERY different if CX had a history (like DL does) of having a meaningful profit share.
Instead, CX steals from its employees during the good times by attacking benefits like housing, medical, and rosters. All the while they pump cash into shareholder dividends, management bonuses, and crazy gambles like the fuel hedging debacle. Then, during tough times, CX asks ALL employees for a salary concession. Fair??? No, either suck it up and reduce your dividends and bonuses OR get the furloughs going... but you aren’t taking my pay!
Instead, CX steals from its employees during the good times by attacking benefits like housing, medical, and rosters. All the while they pump cash into shareholder dividends, management bonuses, and crazy gambles like the fuel hedging debacle. Then, during tough times, CX asks ALL employees for a salary concession. Fair??? No, either suck it up and reduce your dividends and bonuses OR get the furloughs going... but you aren’t taking my pay!
Air China (30%)
Swire Pacific (45%)
Qatar Airways had acquired a 9.6% stake in 2017 but I'm not sure if this is still the case.
