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There is no future for a Virus if it kills its host too quickly or at all , so over time the virus will tend to mutate becoming less deadly and allow more time for it to be spread rather than killing its host quickly which prevents onward transmission . As more and more people are exposed and recover the reservoir of potential hosts diminishes and the explosion of the virus slows
A lot of the damage to the body in healthy adults comes from the bodies immune response going into overdrive to the viral attack called a cytokine storm
Cytokine storms have the potential to do significant damage to body tissues and organs. If a cytokine storm occurs in the lungs, for example, fluids and immune cells such as macrophages may accumulate and eventually fill the lungs with fluid blocking off the airways, potentially resulting in death.. This goes a long way to explain why the 1918 flu epidemic killed so many young adults who had good immune systems . There were no antibiotics or steroids to control the immune response back in 1918
A lot of the damage to the body in healthy adults comes from the bodies immune response going into overdrive to the viral attack called a cytokine storm
Cytokine storms have the potential to do significant damage to body tissues and organs. If a cytokine storm occurs in the lungs, for example, fluids and immune cells such as macrophages may accumulate and eventually fill the lungs with fluid blocking off the airways, potentially resulting in death.. This goes a long way to explain why the 1918 flu epidemic killed so many young adults who had good immune systems . There were no antibiotics or steroids to control the immune response back in 1918
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Steroids are absolutely not the answer (and fortunately I don't see them being mentioned as a treatment this time round).
Professor Yuen Kwok-Yung, one of HK's "experts" is on record from the time of SARS (South China Morning Post, 9 May 2003) as saying that SARS wasn't generally what killed otherwise healthy people then - it was the panic reaction of the medics who overdosed them with steroids, thereby turning their immune system off and causing them to die from whichever bug next passed by and which their body no longer had a defence against. Many more people survived this "treatment" but were maimed for life. The HK Government has spent several hundred million HK$ in compensation and ongoing support to those unfortunates.
Contemporaneous screenshot of the article on the SCMP's website here: https://ibb.co/LhFDCwW
Details of the HK Government cock-up compensation fund here: https://www.swd.gov.hk/en/index/site...ub_trustfundf/
Professor Yuen Kwok-Yung, one of HK's "experts" is on record from the time of SARS (South China Morning Post, 9 May 2003) as saying that SARS wasn't generally what killed otherwise healthy people then - it was the panic reaction of the medics who overdosed them with steroids, thereby turning their immune system off and causing them to die from whichever bug next passed by and which their body no longer had a defence against. Many more people survived this "treatment" but were maimed for life. The HK Government has spent several hundred million HK$ in compensation and ongoing support to those unfortunates.
Contemporaneous screenshot of the article on the SCMP's website here: https://ibb.co/LhFDCwW
Details of the HK Government cock-up compensation fund here: https://www.swd.gov.hk/en/index/site...ub_trustfundf/
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I saw this figure a couple of days ago, based on the infection rate of 2.5 new cases per case, and wondered how they got this figure.
Of course the answer is that if (almost) everyone around you is susceptible to the virus, then on average you infect 2.5 of them, but if 60% of the people around you are immune due to prior infection, then you'll infect only one new case, and of course as soon as R drops below 1, the pandemic fizzles.
Of course the answer is that if (almost) everyone around you is susceptible to the virus, then on average you infect 2.5 of them, but if 60% of the people around you are immune due to prior infection, then you'll infect only one new case, and of course as soon as R drops below 1, the pandemic fizzles.
I thought I read an article saying that those who have been infected and recover can get the virus again. There is no immunity from re infection.
anyone else seen this as well or am I mistaken?
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[QUOTE]Doctors and virologists don't yet know enough about the Wuhan coronavirus to say whether humans develop full immunity after they've contracted the illness. According to Zhan, doctors aren't sure that the antibodies patients develop are strong or long-lasting enough to keep them from contracting the disease again.[/QUOTE]
Not confirmed yet. Can only find reference to this from a couple of weeks ago from one Chinese virologist, his statements are not presented as fact, more of a maybe.
Not confirmed yet. Can only find reference to this from a couple of weeks ago from one Chinese virologist, his statements are not presented as fact, more of a maybe.
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If you have a source that lies about everything (like Mainland China) how can you trust anything that comes out of it ? Regarding infected, dead, or even the specific strain(s) of virus. This is being (self-reported -- albeit with a few observers which are shown things that the ChiComms want them to see) as a single type of variant by China--no one has any idea if this is true or not. Or in any way of the magnitude of the spread. There are gestappo-like tactics towards pretty much everything ranging from isolation camps, arrests, and punishment of information leakers. And given the close proximity, amount of infected, and lack of decent medical care it's hard to isolate what deaths occur as a result of infection vs. every OTHER pathogen that's present in a widespread quarantine of a whole bunch of people in close proximity. The disease seems to amplify vulnerability and severity to secondary infection.
The virus seems to have an immumnodepressive quality to it which is disconcerting; at least the variant that's been isolated outside of China in the 'normal' world. The mortality rate (again outside of the mainland) seems reasonably low but it also seems to be exceptionally contagious without a clear vector of transmission at this point.
I think once we get some good data from the 'normal' world of morbidity/mortality rates and transmission vectors things will begin to come back to normal. But we're still pretty far into I don't know land at this point.
The virus seems to have an immumnodepressive quality to it which is disconcerting; at least the variant that's been isolated outside of China in the 'normal' world. The mortality rate (again outside of the mainland) seems reasonably low but it also seems to be exceptionally contagious without a clear vector of transmission at this point.
I think once we get some good data from the 'normal' world of morbidity/mortality rates and transmission vectors things will begin to come back to normal. But we're still pretty far into I don't know land at this point.
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So... there is mounting evidence that this virus did NOT originate in the “wet market” of Wuhan. The first documented case had no connection to said wet market. Cover up? I hope not, because the alternative points to a potentially much more potent virus. Made in a lab? Said registered P4 lab is less than 20 miles away from said wet market. Do we actually believe the CCP wouldn’t cover this up?
