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Cathay unauthorized strikes

Old 30th Aug 2019, 02:49
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Cathay unauthorized strikes




I guess with what’s happening in HK there will be a recruitment drive very soon...
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 03:48
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STRIKE

Only too obvious that our "leader" in the People Department remembers one of the "harder" lessons he learned as an "Officer" in Her Majesties Army.. That's the one where you turn around and bend over. Battle of Gallipoli ring a bell ??
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 06:07
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Can anyone else see an issue with needing to get approval to strike, from an employer you are planning a strike against?
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 06:16
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With pathetic letters to staff like that, you can really smell the fear in our management can't you? Be guided accordingly.
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 08:21
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The "management fear" of course would be in Air China - Beijing approved CX management in waiting....
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Old 30th Aug 2019, 09:01
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Which is fine so long as they actually have any staff to manage. I guess 15-20% at the very least of CX Cabin Crew have taken part in one or more of the protests over the last 3 months, and probably 50+% have expressed support on social media. Given that the FAU has show in the past that it has rather more balls than those up front, it seems to me that there's a not insignificant chance of CX having its bluff called here.
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Old 31st Aug 2019, 00:14
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Hong Kong Basic Law

CX seems to be taking the position that as the dispute is not between them and their staff directly, they view taking part in a general strike as illegal. The question becomes “is this an action sanctioned by the various CX staff unions?”, as the EO allows for union sanctioned activities and makes no requirement of a dispute between the employer/employee.
The HKAOA has made their position on this strike clear however.

Article 27
Hong Kong residents shall have freedom of speech, of the press and of publication; freedom of association, of assembly, of procession and of demonstration; and the right and freedom to form and join trade unions, and to strike.

https://www.deacons.com/news-and-ins...l-actions.html
What are the rights of employees and employers in industrial actions?

The Employment Ordinance (Cap. 57) (“EO”) prohibits an employer from summarily dismissing an employee (i.e. termination without notice or payment in lieu of notice) on the ground that he/she takes part in a strike. However, there does not seem to be any prohibition against an employer from terminating the employment of such employee by serving notice or by making payment in lieu of notice.

Further protection is afforded to employees who form and join trade unions to protect their rights. The Hong Kong Bill of Rights Ordinance and International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights protect the right and freedom to form and join trade unions. The above, as well as the right and freedom of Hong Kong residents to strike are enshrined in the Basic Law. The Trade Unions Ordinance (Cap. 332) (“TUO”) also safeguards various rights of registered trade unions.

The EO codifies the rights of employees in respect of trade union membership and activities. Under section 21B of the EO, every employee shall as between himself and his employer have the following rights:-
  1. the right to be or to become a member or an officer of a trade union registered under the TUO;
  2. where he/she is a member or an officer of any such trade union, the right, at any appropriate time, to take part in the activities of the trade union; and
  3. the right to associate with other persons for the purpose of forming or applying for the registration of a trade union in accordance with the TUO.
It is a criminal offence for an employer or any person acting on behalf of an employer to (a) prevent or deters, or does any act calculated to prevent or deter, an employee from exercising any of the rights conferred on him set out above; or (b) terminate the employment contract of, penalises, or otherwise discriminates against, an employee by reason of his/her exercising any of the above rights.


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Old 31st Aug 2019, 13:34
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What are the odds in a betting shop?

Cathay will not exist by Christmas 2019, The Chinese government will close it down and buy whichever assets they choose, staff not included !

Don't laugh; it's a very real possibility.
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Old 31st Aug 2019, 13:41
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No chance. Most the pilots are compliant with the wishes of their employer. Giving up their social freedoms , not openly discussing the protests, and secretly reporting their local
peers , why wouldn’t Beijing want this?

Alot of guys in ka have stopped texting about anything politically sensitive, incase they are “ requested” to submit their smart phones and passwords over to immigration in China for routine i inspection.
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Old 31st Aug 2019, 14:02
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Originally Posted by Krone View Post
No chance. Most the pilots are compliant with the wishes of their employer. Giving up their social freedoms , not openly discussing the protests, and secretly reporting their local
peers , why wouldn’t Beijing want this?
Indeed - it has been remarkable that all the loud-mouthed grumpy old gwailos have disappeared from this forum once it became clear that their jobs in the place they all claimed to hate might actually be on the line.

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Old 31st Aug 2019, 14:37
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I appreciate English is not your first language Paul, but surely even an idiot like you can see the contradiction in using, ".....racist Gwailo....", in a sentence?
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Old 31st Aug 2019, 14:58
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Originally Posted by cabbages View Post
I appreciate English is not your first language Paul, but surely even an idiot like you can see the contradiction in using, ".....racist Gwailo....", in a sentence?
It’s called projection, and it’s truly remarkable how many pilots do it and fail to recognize it. As the old adage says, you are what you hate.
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Old 31st Aug 2019, 18:34
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Will there be staff striking; demonstrating and protesting when the airline is forced to park aircraft and downsize operation due to low passenger figures?
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Old 31st Aug 2019, 21:55
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Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted . The expats will never do this unless its an expat issue.
ie the 49 ers .

The airline will inevitably downsize until this carbuncle of hk history is lanced either by Beijing or otherwise.

I know many in KA will rejoyce at the possibility of reduced roster or unpaid leave ( the most likely option)

Those who pertain that HK is your home but fail to follow your conscience are selling themselves out and are no better than those folks up north.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 04:15
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It looks like it’s only going to be downhill for HK from now. There have been rumors that Sanya is expanding its docks in order to replace Hong Kong for import / export. There are already plans after being built to lower taxes ( lower than Hong Kong) to attract companies, seeming that it is right next to Hong Kong there is a strong possibility that businesses will be going there to cut costs.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 04:58
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CX seems to be taking the position that as the dispute is not between them and their staff directly, they view taking part in a general strike as illegal. The question becomes “is this an action sanctioned by the various CX staff unions?”, as the EO allows for union sanctioned activities and makes no requirement of a dispute between the employer/employee.
The HKAOA has made their position on this strike clear however.

Article 27
Hong Kong residents shall have freedom of speech, of the press and of publication; freedom of association, of assembly, of procession and of demonstration; and the right and freedom to form and join trade unions, and to strike.
The HK Trade Union's Ordnance defines a strike as “the cessation of work… in consequence of a dispute, done as a means of compelling their employer… to accept or not to accept terms or conditions of or affecting employment.” Although Article 27 gives a person the right to strike, the ordnance says it's only in the case in the case of a grievance against one's employer regarding working conditions. In this case, the company are correct. Anyone participating in a general strike will technically be absent from work.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 09:50
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just got this picture from sky news website. Guess it’s a matter of time before Hong Kong airport is closed again.
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 14:16
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More detail on SCMP.com including live updates.

Flights have been cancelled to many destinations, others delayed a couple of hours.

Heroic pilot photograph as he climbs a barricade to get to work. If he checks his health and loss of licence insurances he will find that most of them are invalid in that situation, and as the majority of the assessors will be on the marches anyway he would get no sympathy and pay for his own injuries.

Still no leadership from Carrie Lam. Is she playing her violin as her city burns?



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Old 1st Sep 2019, 17:08
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Carrie Lam knew weeks ago what needed to be done to fix this. But she had to ask Emperor Xi for permission and he said No. She attempted to resign. Emperor Xi said no. I don't really understand how "not being able to resign could work, and I have to assume that the Communist Party has her husband and son under their control. I can see no other reason why she (and they) haven't just very publicly quit and gone to the UK (where the husband and son have citizenship, they have property, and she could regain her citizenship).
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Old 1st Sep 2019, 17:58
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FINALLY a chance to demonstrate to the financial analysts who keep whispering in managements' ear that pilots are not assets but liabilities that those big shiny tubes don't fly themselves.

Stand with Hong Kong.
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