possible major delay on monday 5/8
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I sincerely hope that all the CX/KA crew here will take this as a clear indication that China is not a safe place to fly to, or even over, and will decline to take such duties. We now see the Chinese "Rule By Law" in action, and that is EXACTLY what the current protests are about. Now if China takes exception to any member of your crew because they have joined a protest then you can be forced (perhaps even shot) down because they have offended the feelings of the motherland.
From the BBC website
<China's Civil Aviation Administration (CAAC) on Friday ordered the Hong Kong-based airline Cathay Pacific to suspend all crew members deemed to have participated in the protests in Hong Kong.
The CAAC told Cathay to submit all crew members' details to its officials for inspection and approval before flights were allowed to fly into or over mainland China airspace.>
Just in case any of the new recruits were any doubt as to who runs the airline of their choice...
Mind you there is nothing new to this, they’ve had copies of the GDs for every flight to China, this just adds in the overflights.
Might be worth a new thread if someone can start one
<China's Civil Aviation Administration (CAAC) on Friday ordered the Hong Kong-based airline Cathay Pacific to suspend all crew members deemed to have participated in the protests in Hong Kong.
The CAAC told Cathay to submit all crew members' details to its officials for inspection and approval before flights were allowed to fly into or over mainland China airspace.>
Just in case any of the new recruits were any doubt as to who runs the airline of their choice...
Mind you there is nothing new to this, they’ve had copies of the GDs for every flight to China, this just adds in the overflights.
Might be worth a new thread if someone can start one
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For crew overnighting in Beijing this year, its been mandatory to have your photo and finger prints taken. The facial photo will no doubt go straight onto the central government’s facial recognition database.
it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that HK Police are
taking huge amounts of 4K video and HD photos of demonstrators, wether they are engaged in peaceful protest or otherwise.
It will only be a matter of time, if not already the case, that these images will find themselves on the china national image database, allowing anyone who has been photographed to be potentially pulled out and questioned based on facial recognition software matches.
Yesterdays announcement indicates that HK crew will receive extra scrutiny when entering china.
Where will it end? If a crew member is watching a peaceful protest in Wanch Chai amble past the coffee shop they are sitting outside of, it’s conceivable they could be photographed and that image finds itself onto the central data base. Happy times.
it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that HK Police are
taking huge amounts of 4K video and HD photos of demonstrators, wether they are engaged in peaceful protest or otherwise.
It will only be a matter of time, if not already the case, that these images will find themselves on the china national image database, allowing anyone who has been photographed to be potentially pulled out and questioned based on facial recognition software matches.
Yesterdays announcement indicates that HK crew will receive extra scrutiny when entering china.
Where will it end? If a crew member is watching a peaceful protest in Wanch Chai amble past the coffee shop they are sitting outside of, it’s conceivable they could be photographed and that image finds itself onto the central data base. Happy times.
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The fear is not so much of being banned from entry.
It's that they'll let in a crew member, and then when they show up at Shanghai or Beijing immigration to operate back to HKG, they are flagged because the facial recognition database came up with a hit of them participating/watching/in the vicinity of a protest. Then they'll be led away by airport police and just disappear into the gulag. CX will likely just call in a reserve, and the flight will operate, with some delay. It'd be a little ironic though, considering the original reason for the protests..
It's that they'll let in a crew member, and then when they show up at Shanghai or Beijing immigration to operate back to HKG, they are flagged because the facial recognition database came up with a hit of them participating/watching/in the vicinity of a protest. Then they'll be led away by airport police and just disappear into the gulag. CX will likely just call in a reserve, and the flight will operate, with some delay. It'd be a little ironic though, considering the original reason for the protests..
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Interesting that a recent KA crew in Shanghai on a turnaround were met by police security who asked for all their phones. They then inserted a device to the phone, which is known to download a tracking and reporting software into the phone.
This device has been reported recently by private citizens and by foreign journalists, (NYT passim), particularly those visiting Uighur areas. It is believed this is the first time that it has been installed on a foreign aircrew’s phone
One cabin crew member initially refused to allow the software installation but was threatened with being taken off the aircraft, so relented.
So if you must take a phone on a mainland turnaround, take a burner 😳
This device has been reported recently by private citizens and by foreign journalists, (NYT passim), particularly those visiting Uighur areas. It is believed this is the first time that it has been installed on a foreign aircrew’s phone
One cabin crew member initially refused to allow the software installation but was threatened with being taken off the aircraft, so relented.
So if you must take a phone on a mainland turnaround, take a burner 😳
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Or don't call..
Sick calls for all the China flights in protest to Slosar's in the public confrence saying 'he's not going to tell the employee's what to think" on one hand..
and then advising everyone to fully comply.Record about face even for a Swire Prince.
Don't worry gent's.. FAU will fight for you on this one too.
Sick calls for all the China flights in protest to Slosar's in the public confrence saying 'he's not going to tell the employee's what to think" on one hand..
and then advising everyone to fully comply.Record about face even for a Swire Prince.
Don't worry gent's.. FAU will fight for you on this one too.
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Chinese bureaucrats demonstrating just how weak and frightened they really are. A bunch of university students with umbrellas and they roll out the entire dystopian and tyrannical tool set. Eventually their edifice will fall...
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Hey, Mnmgt Mole. What do you say now, F*#@ F#*=.
August 10, 2019 / 8:30 AM / Updated an hour ago
The move followed China’s aviation regulator demanding the airline prevent staff involved in some of the protests in Hong Kong from operating flights to China, describing it as a safety issue.
The broadside poses a major commercial challenge to Cathay, which already reported tumbling bookings last week as a result of the anti-government protests gripping Hong Kong.
The airline said on Saturday in response to customer queries that the pilot had been removed from duties on July 30 “in line with our standard process” and had not flown since July 15.
“We express no view whatsoever on the subject matter of any proceedings to which he may be subject,” the company added in a statement.
For the past two months Hong Kong has been embroiled in increasingly violent anti-government street protests, which a Chinese official described last week as the greatest crisis since its return from British to Chinese rule in 1997.
The Cathay pilot, whom the company did not name, was among over 40 people charged with rioting, during clashes with police near Beijing’s main representative office in the city.
In a separate memo on Saturday, Cathay Pacific CEO Rupert Hogg told staff that in order to comply with the new regulatory demands it would not allow any crew supporting protests in Hong Kong to staff flights to the mainland from midnight on Aug. 10.
“Cathay Pacific Group employees who support or take part in illegal protests, violent actions, or overly radical behavior shall be immediately suspended from any activity involving flights to the mainland,” he said.
The memo added that the airline would submit identification details of all crews flying to or over mainland China to authorities there for approval.
“Cathay Pacific Group’s operations in mainland China are key to our business,” he said
August 10, 2019 / 8:30 AM / Updated an hour ago
Cathay Pacific suspends pilot arrested in Hong Kong protests
BEIJING (Reuters) - Hong Kong flag carrier Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd (0293.HK) said on Saturday it had suspended a pilot arrested during anti-government protests in Hong Kong and that “overly radical” staff would be barred from crewing flights to the mainland.The move followed China’s aviation regulator demanding the airline prevent staff involved in some of the protests in Hong Kong from operating flights to China, describing it as a safety issue.
The broadside poses a major commercial challenge to Cathay, which already reported tumbling bookings last week as a result of the anti-government protests gripping Hong Kong.
The airline said on Saturday in response to customer queries that the pilot had been removed from duties on July 30 “in line with our standard process” and had not flown since July 15.
“We express no view whatsoever on the subject matter of any proceedings to which he may be subject,” the company added in a statement.
For the past two months Hong Kong has been embroiled in increasingly violent anti-government street protests, which a Chinese official described last week as the greatest crisis since its return from British to Chinese rule in 1997.
The Cathay pilot, whom the company did not name, was among over 40 people charged with rioting, during clashes with police near Beijing’s main representative office in the city.
In a separate memo on Saturday, Cathay Pacific CEO Rupert Hogg told staff that in order to comply with the new regulatory demands it would not allow any crew supporting protests in Hong Kong to staff flights to the mainland from midnight on Aug. 10.
“Cathay Pacific Group employees who support or take part in illegal protests, violent actions, or overly radical behavior shall be immediately suspended from any activity involving flights to the mainland,” he said.
The memo added that the airline would submit identification details of all crews flying to or over mainland China to authorities there for approval.
“Cathay Pacific Group’s operations in mainland China are key to our business,” he said
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Hmmm, didn't see this coming. So, in the space of one week, we now have a previous Chief Executive threatening the airline, and on top of that, the Chinese CAD effectively putting CX on notice and now social media in China calling for a boycott of the airline. On top of every other reason to believe CX was no longer a career airline, we now have the long suspected existential crisis staring us in the face. If you aren't making plans to get out now, well...what more are you waiting for. CX is finished.
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Yes, vitally important to pay respect to the Chinese by calling their Authority the correct name.
Yet another example of a pilot with a firm grasp of totally irrelevant points.
What is it about this profession that attracts people with such outlooks?
Yet another example of a pilot with a firm grasp of totally irrelevant points.
What is it about this profession that attracts people with such outlooks?
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Hey, Mnmgt Mole. What do you say now, F*#@ F#*=.
August 10, 2019 / 8:30 AM / Updated an hour ago
The move followed China’s aviation regulator demanding the airline prevent staff involved in some of the protests in Hong Kong from operating flights to China, describing it as a safety issue.
The broadside poses a major commercial challenge to Cathay, which already reported tumbling bookings last week as a result of the anti-government protests gripping Hong Kong.
The airline said on Saturday in response to customer queries that the pilot had been removed from duties on July 30 “in line with our standard process” and had not flown since July 15.
“We express no view whatsoever on the subject matter of any proceedings to which he may be subject,” the company added in a statement.
For the past two months Hong Kong has been embroiled in increasingly violent anti-government street protests, which a Chinese official described last week as the greatest crisis since its return from British to Chinese rule in 1997.
The Cathay pilot, whom the company did not name, was among over 40 people charged with rioting, during clashes with police near Beijing’s main representative office in the city.
In a separate memo on Saturday, Cathay Pacific CEO Rupert Hogg told staff that in order to comply with the new regulatory demands it would not allow any crew supporting protests in Hong Kong to staff flights to the mainland from midnight on Aug. 10.
“Cathay Pacific Group employees who support or take part in illegal protests, violent actions, or overly radical behavior shall be immediately suspended from any activity involving flights to the mainland,” he said.
The memo added that the airline would submit identification details of all crews flying to or over mainland China to authorities there for approval.
“Cathay Pacific Group’s operations in mainland China are key to our business,” he said
August 10, 2019 / 8:30 AM / Updated an hour ago
Cathay Pacific suspends pilot arrested in Hong Kong protests
BEIJING (Reuters) - Hong Kong flag carrier Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd (0293.HK) said on Saturday it had suspended a pilot arrested during anti-government protests in Hong Kong and that “overly radical” staff would be barred from crewing flights to the mainland.The move followed China’s aviation regulator demanding the airline prevent staff involved in some of the protests in Hong Kong from operating flights to China, describing it as a safety issue.
The broadside poses a major commercial challenge to Cathay, which already reported tumbling bookings last week as a result of the anti-government protests gripping Hong Kong.
The airline said on Saturday in response to customer queries that the pilot had been removed from duties on July 30 “in line with our standard process” and had not flown since July 15.
“We express no view whatsoever on the subject matter of any proceedings to which he may be subject,” the company added in a statement.
For the past two months Hong Kong has been embroiled in increasingly violent anti-government street protests, which a Chinese official described last week as the greatest crisis since its return from British to Chinese rule in 1997.
The Cathay pilot, whom the company did not name, was among over 40 people charged with rioting, during clashes with police near Beijing’s main representative office in the city.
In a separate memo on Saturday, Cathay Pacific CEO Rupert Hogg told staff that in order to comply with the new regulatory demands it would not allow any crew supporting protests in Hong Kong to staff flights to the mainland from midnight on Aug. 10.
“Cathay Pacific Group employees who support or take part in illegal protests, violent actions, or overly radical behavior shall be immediately suspended from any activity involving flights to the mainland,” he said.
The memo added that the airline would submit identification details of all crews flying to or over mainland China to authorities there for approval.
“Cathay Pacific Group’s operations in mainland China are key to our business,” he said
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Glad I escaped that show you guys all love. Yoir doomed and you don’t even know it. Anyone talking otherwise is the neighbor who thinks they won’t come for me.
Get the hell out!!
Get the hell out!!
