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To new joiners thinking about staying in HKG

Old 2nd Apr 2019, 11:03
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To new joiners thinking about staying in HKG

Food for thought

This BBC article deals exactly with the pollution that plagues HKG every day of the year.

Pay attention to the part where the long-term effects of pollution on children is discussed.
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 12:54
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Originally Posted by Paul852 View Post
Forgive me if I have misread the article, but it seems to me that it is all about the pollution in London, and doesn't mention Hong Kong once!
Right, because pollution in London is much worse than HK. Get real!
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 15:54
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Forgive me if I have misread the article, but it seems to me that it is all about the pollution in London, and doesn't mention Hong Kong once!
One can only hope this is NOT flight crew material... (the tyre is only flat on one side).
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 16:19
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I moved my family back to UK from HK over twenty years ago because of this increasing problem. The effects of air pollution on our young kids resulted in two of them having to use nebulisers on an increasing basis. As soon as they were out of the territory, they improved. I can't imagine the air's any cleaner now.....
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Old 2nd Apr 2019, 23:20
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Nicely selected data point. Lambeth's peak vs Central's low.

Last edited by Busbuoy; 2nd Apr 2019 at 23:27. Reason: Factual error
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 00:11
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Sure Paul, HK's pollution is less than London's...
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 01:21
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Paulís notion is so absurd that it really doesnít justify a response. HK is disgusting most of the time and certifiably unhealthy even more than that. Many of the days that appear nice are still very bad for your lungs. I often wonder if my workouts are doing more harm than good.
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Old 3rd Apr 2019, 09:34
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Paul....Stop quoting Facts....it's not helping.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 01:07
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Paul I agree with your assertion about the original data that at 0900 on whatever day it was London was worse than HKG. However, that time coincided with a peak in London and a trough in Hongkong. If you had compared 18 odd hours earlier the comparison would have been reversed. Not saying you were being deceitful, just that the data point you picked supported one assertion and another point did not. I suspect those arguing for averages to be compared would be more correct in their assertions. But I don't know, I haven't checked all the data.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 02:53
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Paul's report only omitted the PM2.5 statistics. The real dangerous one. The one that will go deep into your children's lungs.

9.6 ug/m3 average in London last year.
Not under 20 ug/m3 average in any station in HK last year.
The HK government's target is fixed at an average of 35 ug/m3!

So I'd say, Paul's comments were indeed deceptive.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 03:01
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Originally Posted by cabbages View Post
Paul....Stop quoting Facts....it's not helping.
Selective facts!
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 09:33
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I think we can all agree that the air in HK is sh*t


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https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/hedley-environmental-index/id1271664570?ls=1&mt=8
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 10:25
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https://aqicn.org/city/hongkong/

Whenever I compare HKG with London on the above site, HKG is far worse.

How many pilots live in central London? If you come to HKG you can't escape it. Many many stories of kids having health issues in HKG that clear up when they return home to cleaner air. Make of that what you will.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 10:43
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The advantage of UK is that not many aircrew have to live in the relatively concentrated area of London. We are fortunate enough to live over 150 miles from there, in a small village. None of my offspring (now grown up) have to live in London either.

Like it or not, the Far East, imported many of the more pollution producing industries from the Western world.
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Up here in the north of England, under a crystal blue (but rather cold) sky, I doubt that the readings are anywhere near either.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 11:30
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Originally Posted by Paul852 View Post
OK. So the thing that "New joiners thinking about staying in Hong Kong" need to know is that it's a city, and, like most cities worldwide, the pollution levels are higher than in the depths of the countryside. HK's pollution is not significantly worse than other major cities such as London, but yes, living in the countryside 150 miles from your place of work is not an (easy) option in Hong Kong.

I guess we could all agree on that.
Agreed. My place of work isn't in London, either. Point is, potential newcomers do need to understand that Hong Kong is a small, highly concentrated place and it can be claustrophobic for a number of reasons.
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 13:40
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I really hate it when facts are quoted to support opinions. Whatís happening to this forum?

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Old 4th Apr 2019, 16:17
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Can everyone please get back on point. It isn't that HK (or London) is a toxic place, it's more the fact that this COMPANY IS A TOXIC PLACE, and will do you, your family and your mental/physical health far more harm than the admittedly awful atmosphere on a given day. I can certainly say, living in the UK/AUS/NZ/CAN/USA is going to be a far healthier place on every level. Or are there still some left in HK who think that the next 20 years is going to be something better than the last 20...?
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Old 4th Apr 2019, 16:53
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Can everyone please get back on point. It isn't that HK (or London) is a toxic place, it's more the fact that this COMPANY IS A TOXIC PLACE
I think everyone else was on point actually. The discussion was about air quality and not the toxicity or otherwise of the airline workplace in HKG. You seem to be the one who's drifted off point.

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Old 4th Apr 2019, 20:13
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Having lived in both YYZ and HKG I can say that YYZ>HKG when it comes to raising a family. But if you're not planning on having kids, or if you're well off I think HKG would be a better place. It sucks to be poor in HKG but great if you're rich. In Canada everyone is sort of average, but it's pretty hard to make bank, but it's also pretty hard to die cause of our 'generous' welfare system.
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