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KA Pilots Offered Pay Rise For MFF

Old 28th Mar 2019, 01:22
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KA Pilots Offered Pay Rise For MFF

Not sure I'd be so keen on mixed fleet flying. I don't think the risk would be worth the extra pay. With the 321 NEO's / 320's and various models of 330's it would be a handful keeping up.

Didn't we do a failed trial years ago?
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 01:51
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Can you tell us how big the pay rise is going to be?
DPA is not communicating on this.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 07:21
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I think they’ve pushed the boat out and offered the same 1% that we turned down.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 07:39
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It isn't real MFF (both aircraft are twins). MFF really only applies in the Airbus world when one flies a quad (340) and a twin (330). It isn't too hard. If you want to see something dodgy try 330 and 350. Same type rating....
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 09:51
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How about mixed airline flying- KA -HKE-KA .

I hear 1% rise for the 3 year fixed pay period .

Thats 1 % 1% 1% .

Where are the voices of our local pilots, they stand to loose out massively in the future. They have already lost 20% pay over a full career , so another effective 0% rise will compound this lo$$ .

The culpability is that the DPA have not flatly rejected it .
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 13:27
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It isn't real MFF (both aircraft are twins). MFF really only applies in the Airbus world when one flies a quad (340) and a twin (330). It isn't too hard. If you want to see something dodgy try 330 and 350. Same type rating....
MFF is defined by EASA as flying aircraft on two different type certificates. A320/A330, A330/A340, A320/A340 etc

See the attached document which shows A320/A330 MFF in part 7.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...ion_Report.pdf
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 14:48
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MFF is defined by EASA as flying aircraft on two different type certificates. A320/A330, A330/A340, A320/A340 etc

See the attached document which shows A320/A330 MFF in part 7.

https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/def...ion_Report.pdf
Who cares... I just fly the fricken things. All that MFF business is for the office monkeys to figure out.
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Old 28th Mar 2019, 14:56
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Who cares... I just fly the fricken things. All that MFF business is for the office monkeys to figure out.
Except when you don’t meet one of the MFF requirements listed on the back of your licence and you find yourself showing cause to the CAD why they should not revoke YOUR licence. It is YOUR licence, YOUR responsibility to keep it valid. Those “office monkeys” cannot help you.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 07:22
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Nice way to speak about the hard working people in Cathay City.....”Monkey’s”.....rude toward your fellow colleagues also trying to put food on their table each month, not all are managers you know.....
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 15:09
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Except when you don’t meet one of the MFF requirements listed on the back of your licence and you find yourself showing cause to the CAD why they should not revoke YOUR licence. It is YOUR licence, YOUR responsibility to keep it valid. Those “office monkeys” cannot help you.
Ha ha ha ha ha....Who cares.... I got the hours in the log book. It's experience regardless. If it's excluded on a technicality, I don't care. It won't affect me one bit in the real world. But by all means go ahead and stress about the Nitty gritty. As I said I am quite happy to be the "chimp" that sits up the front and flies these machines in my monkey suit!

Both of you are retarded for taking offence about our ansestoral link to the apes. Obviously you were cut that I called you out for being pedantic fools.
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Old 29th Mar 2019, 15:28
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Originally Posted by RAT Management View Post
Ha ha ha ha ha....Who cares.... I got the hours in the log book. It's experience regardless. If it's excluded on a technicality, I don't care. It won't affect me one bit in the real world. But by all means go ahead and stress about the Nitty gritty. As I said I am quite happy to be the "chimp" that sits up the front and flies these machines in my monkey suit!

Both of you are retarded for taking offence about our ansestoral link to the apes. Obviously you were cut that I called you out for being pedantic fools.
I don’t think anyone who works in the office would care if you call them an office monkey, I bet you would not do that to their face. You hide behind a pseudonym.

You have zero MFF experience in your logbook. And just like the person who flew with measles if you do not know your licence responsibilities under the ANOs, CAD will be after you, not the “office monkeys”. MFF has been done in HKG for a long time.

Good luck getting another job with that logbook and no licence after CAD revokes it. HKCAD will not confirm your qualifications with other CAAs either as you licence was revoked, ie you don’t have a HKG licence.
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Old 11th Jul 2019, 01:30
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Thankfully MFF buried .

2% / 2% unconditional pay rise with small increases in the Local Contract Special Allowance.

I get the feeling everyone has bought time here. Including management, who will hope for an influx of D Scalers in the next two years.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 00:46
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Wait for the bang
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 10:19
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Originally Posted by BlunderBus View Post
Wait for the bang
That’s what they said about the B scale and the Standard Contract. I guess we will hear the same re COS19,20 etc etc.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 12:42
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Originally Posted by BlunderBus View Post
Wait for the bang
Ive often wondered what goes on in the minds of master aviators as you taxi out in your not so new, not so shiny 330s and 777s and watch the rest of the world line up and take off in front of you. Just sitting, watching and waiting for “the bang” that never happens must grow old. Obviously not.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 22:50
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Ive often wondered what goes on in the minds of master aviators as you taxi out in your not so new, not so shiny 330s and 777s and watch the rest of the world line up and take off in front of you. Just sitting, watching and waiting for “the bang” that never happens must grow old. Obviously not.

Usually its a sound similar to “cha ching cha ching” and the overtime rolls in.
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Old 14th Jul 2019, 10:12
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I have mates who took one look at CX , immediately understanding their condescending attitude, and stayed away.

KA sent a recruiter to Iceland to mop up the rated Ex WOW guy, to find the lights had already been turned off.

You come to HK for one thing.... opportunity. Opportunity to fly with an airline either globally or regional. You previously joined KA for quick command and the opportunity to earn more than your mates starting as SO with CX . Historically Ka pilots would always ammass more wonga than their noisy neighbours.

Your mates have the opportunity to fly trans Pacific, trans polar, and perhaps win the bragging rights.

The point is, it is all about money in HK. If you aint earning it, then the pain aint worth it . Period.
Stay at home, enjoy breathing the air and enjoy a much healthier lifestyle.


live in HK, and think of your epithaph , as the pools winner once, said “ spend spend spend” . Commonly , pilots leave divorced , with broken spirit, a trophy asian wifein tow , and a half caste toddler .
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Old 14th Jul 2019, 12:52
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If there were a like button, kahaha then you would get it. Your post is correct and the last sentence is poignant but amusing.
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 01:47
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If there were a like button, kahaha then you would get it. Your post is correct and the last sentence is poignant but amusing.

Really? The last sentence is deplorable and presents a bigoted simpleton, needing elemental black and white rationalisations of the world around them.

Commonly, pilots retire in their own countries in similar circumstances. That is, divorced, bitter and with broken spirit. Needing two race references in the one sentence says more about the person and their own failures as an expatriate.



Commonly , pilots leave divorced , with broken spirit, a trophy asian wifein tow , and a half caste toddler .
Don't be a mug ! Do you really think its acceptable to refer to your colleagues' kids as half castes in this day and age?
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Old 15th Jul 2019, 04:41
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Not so easy to get an Asian wife on PoS18 I’d imagine. The most junior girl at the back of the aircraft knows what you earn and will be giving you a miss.
And forget your prejudice, those Eurasian kids are usually the best looking around, most of the models you see in HK ads are half-half. They are well placed to make the best of both worlds.
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