SCMP 2 Feb 2019
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Really. Are you telling me that last Thursday the DPA didn't receive a letter from management saying "their starting point was a 0% pay increase ( what they called "a stabilized adjustment " ) and that if accepted then current allowances would be protected for 12 months pending a company wide review in 2021.Tell me that letter didn't arrive in the DPA inbox and the initial reaction of the GC was to accept it. Tell me ?
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The part about DPA members not having the stomach for a fight is true. The membership has been diluted by standard contract pilots who have a different motivation and are from a much varied demographic than B scale members. They are generally 20 years younger, and are not in HK because it pays a good whack. They are socially more integrated to local culture and are accepting of their terms and conditions. Small living spaces and taking the bus for an hour to work are considered as normal. Its hard to equate the desires of B and C scale , so to remain neutral will be the most palatable from the DPA comm
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The part about DPA members not having the stomach for a fight is true. The membership has been diluted by standard contract pilots who have a different motivation and are from a much varied demographic than B scale members. They are generally 20 years younger, and are not in HK because it pays a good whack. They are socially more integrated to local culture and are accepting of their terms and conditions. Small living spaces and taking the bus for an hour to work are considered as normal. Its hard to equate the desires of B and C scale , so to remain neutral will be the most palatable from the DPA comm
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Babbalito, apologies for not understanding your post. Can you tell me in what way Expat B are “f# #king over the SC?
If we joined on a different contract, blame the Airline management, not your co-workers; Lots of jobs around, if you don’t like what you get here move somewhere else.
If we joined on a different contract, blame the Airline management, not your co-workers; Lots of jobs around, if you don’t like what you get here move somewhere else.
A fairer way forward would be for expat B to take an overall freeze in pay and financial benefits allowing all increases to go to SC.
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I’m b scale but I never felt ffed over by the a scale, although it was always funny when they would open their little mini photo album and show off their cars, planes, houses..
You get what you signed up for...
You get what you signed up for...
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Give the DPA a chance. The com have only just agreed a framework for negotiations. No one has suggested anyone accept anything. Negotiate haven’t even started yet. The bull**** flies thick and fast on this site sometimes.
Bab. How about you freeze your contract until the cos 18 guys get to your level and then you can talk to the B scalers about doing the same? Or, here’s a novel thought, why not stop criticising your colleagues and instead try and work together to lift all contracts? Just an idea
Bab. How about you freeze your contract until the cos 18 guys get to your level and then you can talk to the B scalers about doing the same? Or, here’s a novel thought, why not stop criticising your colleagues and instead try and work together to lift all contracts? Just an idea
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You're expecting a pilot who may be unemployed or looking to further their career to not sign a contract in order to protect someone [you] they don't know?
How about you try and protect your contract and prevent the inferior contract becoming available in the first place?
This view point is symptomatic of a weak bodied pilot community who always want to pass the buck. Same goes for the argument of relying on others leaving a company in order to force the company to improve terms.
I'd say if a contract is available then it's fair game...
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This is a stupid view point.
You're expecting a pilot who may be unemployed or looking to further their career to not sign a contract in order to protect someone [you] they don't know?
How about you try and protect your contract and prevent the inferior contract becoming available in the first place?
This view point is symptomatic of a weak bodied pilot community who always want to pass the buck. Same goes for the argument of relying on others leaving a company in order to force the company to improve terms.
I'd say if a contract is available then it's fair game...
You're expecting a pilot who may be unemployed or looking to further their career to not sign a contract in order to protect someone [you] they don't know?
How about you try and protect your contract and prevent the inferior contract becoming available in the first place?
This view point is symptomatic of a weak bodied pilot community who always want to pass the buck. Same goes for the argument of relying on others leaving a company in order to force the company to improve terms.
I'd say if a contract is available then it's fair game...
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There are plenty of SC pilots who are tired of subsidizing expat B pilots while the latter continue to f##k over the former. A fairer way forward would be for expat B to take an overall freeze in pay and financial benefits allowing all increases to go to SC.