CHAIRMAN CUTTING A DEAL
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NC has been in/around the negotiating committees for a long time. Is it causation or correlation that we have fallen drastically short of any acceptable gains during his reign? Let alone kept pace with inflation?
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RL has just been explaining things to everyone, if you don’t like the facts just vote no but no need to get personal. Don’t worry all the guys on COS99 that get pushed out at 55 will be joining COS18 and signing up for training and they aren’t the only ones.
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Originally Posted by RAT Management
I believe a whole bunch of guys on cos 99 signed up for cos 18 as soon as it was released ... Talk about selling everyone out.
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Originally Posted by Dragon69
Make no mistake, the AoA is just a medium to facilitate the imposition of change by the company.
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Not skippers on cos 99 who want to extend beyond 55... That's the deal... Just like the A scale who wanted beyond 55, they signed over to B scale. Whole people are willing to exercise self servitude those in their wake will suffer the turbulence.
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Imagine the lack of self respect required to turn up to do the same job you did yesterday, but for 70% less money today.
These clowns are either so lazy, or so insecure that they’d prefer to do that than to cut the Cathay cord and get a job elsewhere paying more and getting treated better.
These clowns are either so lazy, or so insecure that they’d prefer to do that than to cut the Cathay cord and get a job elsewhere paying more and getting treated better.
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Originally Posted by ron burgandy
Imagine the lack of self respect required to turn up to do the same job you did yesterday, but for 70% less money today.
These clowns are either so lazy, or so insecure that they’d prefer to do that than to cut the Cathay cord and get a job elsewhere paying more and getting treated better.
These clowns are either so lazy, or so insecure that they’d prefer to do that than to cut the Cathay cord and get a job elsewhere paying more and getting treated better.
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Is it just me or does everyone smell a stench from this "best we can expect" deal?
Everything from the pit of my stomach instinctually tells me to vote NO!
The trust had been erroded by one side only. But that same side requires the umbrella clause that is also one sided.... Why? because they can not trust "US!" And they need a gauranteed future!
In return we get a gauranteed 1%. Are you crazy?
They made the mistakes. They need to fix them.
This is not an acceptable fix.... If you think it is, then vote Yes.
But don't vote Yes because you can't see anything better coming around the corner.
You need to realize that there are things that will change for the worse if it is a Yes vote ( like change in reserve, W patterns, 3 man long haul) it's just not detailed in plain sight yet, but with hindsight you will be saying"what was I thinking". Sure you will win a few small financial gains. But these do not (even close) address the real issues, or account for the negatives you will be voting yes to.
The Sum of the parts are greater than the whole. That's why they want it voted as one big package.... Do you smell a rat in this. Trust your instincts.
Look at the big picture and realize that this is a giant turd. Make them and those who support it eat it.... But don't even attempt to take a bite out of this offering.... Not for a second.
Think beyond what you stand to gain. Think about the whole group, the future, and what it will mean for the longevity of your career, and others.
It's not a great place where we are right now. But it's better to sit here than to agree to a worse place without any recourse except for legal challenge....
It's not about what you are going to gain. It's about what we need to preserve. We cannot afford to give away any degredation to our lifestyle and conditions.... Not for a few measly $$$.
If you, like me, see this whole thing as wrong.... Please vote No!
Everything from the pit of my stomach instinctually tells me to vote NO!
The trust had been erroded by one side only. But that same side requires the umbrella clause that is also one sided.... Why? because they can not trust "US!" And they need a gauranteed future!
In return we get a gauranteed 1%. Are you crazy?
They made the mistakes. They need to fix them.
This is not an acceptable fix.... If you think it is, then vote Yes.
But don't vote Yes because you can't see anything better coming around the corner.
You need to realize that there are things that will change for the worse if it is a Yes vote ( like change in reserve, W patterns, 3 man long haul) it's just not detailed in plain sight yet, but with hindsight you will be saying"what was I thinking". Sure you will win a few small financial gains. But these do not (even close) address the real issues, or account for the negatives you will be voting yes to.
The Sum of the parts are greater than the whole. That's why they want it voted as one big package.... Do you smell a rat in this. Trust your instincts.
Look at the big picture and realize that this is a giant turd. Make them and those who support it eat it.... But don't even attempt to take a bite out of this offering.... Not for a second.
Think beyond what you stand to gain. Think about the whole group, the future, and what it will mean for the longevity of your career, and others.
It's not a great place where we are right now. But it's better to sit here than to agree to a worse place without any recourse except for legal challenge....
It's not about what you are going to gain. It's about what we need to preserve. We cannot afford to give away any degredation to our lifestyle and conditions.... Not for a few measly $$$.
If you, like me, see this whole thing as wrong.... Please vote No!
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This deal effectively gives me a tiny bit "more". However, I am voting "NO" because it is the product of a broken system, a broken union and represents the very worst management tendencies and intentions in the airline industry. It will herald the end of the the distinguished and respected airline that was once Cathay Pacific. This offer is an abomination. It will destroy our careers, our pride and our integrity. It is unworthy of a single "yes" vote. Vote "NO" knowing you are standing up for your self-worth, your value as a professional pilot and your legacy. This deserves to be rejected with malice. Only a NO vote will tell this management we've had enough. It won't be an easy road ahead, but it WILL be the right decision. Don't sell yourselves and your colleagues down the river into professional oblivion.
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Yes / No ???
Originally Posted by mngmt mole
This deal effectively gives me a tiny bit "more". However, I am voting "NO" because it is the product of a broken system, a broken union and represents the very worst management tendencies and intentions in the airline industry. It will herald the end of the the distinguished and respected airline that was once Cathay Pacific. This offer is an abomination. It will destroy our careers, our pride and our integrity. It is unworthy of a single "yes" vote. Vote "NO" knowing you are standing up for your self-worth, your value as a professional pilot and your legacy. This deserves to be rejected with malice. Only a NO vote will tell this management we've had enough. It won't be an easy road ahead, but it WILL be the right decision. Don't sell yourselves and your colleagues down the river into professional oblivion.
As well, re HK Govt employment ordinance, they (I believe) can't arbitrarily change your COS in a detrimental manner THEREFORE, the only way they can accomplish that same task is get you to vote this garbage in..
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You are correct. We have a sad history of voting in the “agreements” that the company then uses against us to further weaken and devalue our careers. This WILL prove the final nail in the coffin of professional aviation at CX. Vote NO and stand strong for what our profession and careers are worth.
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If by some miracle the union as an organization continues to exist after this vote, the members should consider adding conflict of interest clauses to the bylaws to preclude union reps (from the very top down) from profiting in any way from their position for a specified period of time. I know it is impossible to know every way in which a rep may profit, but at least eliminate the obvious and verifiable ways. IMHO what is happening here is perfect storm of weak or greedy reps and a corrupt company who will go to any lengths to implement their stingy, oppressive and punitive policies.
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Anyone who is foolish enough to tie the fates of their careers, their families and their health to this corrupted and miserable company will sadly deserve what they get. The feeling of relief when I knew I was leaving was overwhelming.
