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ICAC to investigate overtime bias

Old 30th Jul 2018, 04:57
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ICAC to investigate overtime bias

Is it true that a leaked spreadsheet circulating the 3rd Floor, shows a spike in overtime allocation and payments to local pilots and is being investigated by ICAC?
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 02:39
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A few years ago some rostering staff where found to be giving Japan overnights to local crew who were then giving them a kick back of some of the allowances.

At least the CMP might be less prone to corruption....if they keep their fingers out of it.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 02:59
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Ha....like that'll happen! They already have modifications in the original system to allow them to say no to automatically approved swaps!
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 03:08
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Just another reason to get the hell out of here and settle down in your home country, with an employer who can't "racially" manipulate the value of your career. Does anyone think that factor will actually improve in years to come...?
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 04:23
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I recall a catering manager at CX going to jail after an ICAC investigation.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 04:53
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Also investigating the reason why even junior local pilots are being rostered significant A350 flying while senior expats are being left to do the A330 flying.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 05:07
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All in all, another reason that ANY new rostering system MUST be transparent. If it isn't, then there must be NO chance of us relinquishing CC and the TB. If we don't insist on this, we will have effectively institutionalized a corrupt and opaque system that will surely lead to loss of lifestyle, remuneration and accountability. As if we can suffer even more indignities on all those counts. This place becomes more toxic by the day.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 05:48
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Interesting point SWH.
I was told the reason for this was the recent LOSA report ( now buried ) highlighted a disturbing spike in "errors" with cross 330/350 flying to the extent that this practice should cease and the fleets be treated as separate types. The junior local pilots cannot cope with the cross flying hence they are directed to A350 flying only.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 07:42
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Could not agree more Dan. It's a shame that many of the more junior members are willing to sell out the only certainty this business SHOULD provide, for short term gain. Many in this company will reap what they sow. Sad.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 08:24
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Corruption is corrosive. An example needs to be made of the guilty. No support should be forthcoming from the AOA for jobs on the line as a result. As for the rostering drones, the sooner you are replaced by JCR the better.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 11:53
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It isnít a career airline exactly because of thinking like that. AP has described the problem correctly, and you just confirmed it.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 12:19
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When was CX a fair share airline? Must have missed that second.
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 12:45
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Can ICAC do a transparency check on the mgmt's bonuses?
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 15:22
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And a certain CX - HKCAD "special relationship"
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 17:05
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Long haul 350 flying has gone down to almsot zero here when been doing at least 2 long haul a month for over a year.....now i am suddenly doing bloody india again?
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 19:54
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A strick senority based system allows for a great deal of transparency. Penalties also have to be included in the system for people who break it. Some may argue that other systems are better. But with a seniority based system. Itís difficult to hide when someone junior gets a better deal (wink,wink).
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Old 2nd Aug 2018, 23:58
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An investigation sounds like a good idea.
However having worked for various airlines using different bidding systems rotating is the best way.
Date of joining for aircraft bids, basings etc but not for monthly rosters. It creates greed and hubris.
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 02:08
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Crew Control ??

Originally Posted by swh View Post
Also investigating the reason why even junior local pilots are being rostered significant A350 flying while senior expats are being left to do the A330 flying.
It's called Rostering With "Asian Values"

And guess who gets "Unconscious Bias Training"... Those who make the rosters? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 02:43
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REALITY CHECK <on>

Rostering is and will be strict seniority; however since this is Cathay, the following events have priority (in this order);

1. Training events (RT, PC, AEP, conversions, Upgrades, T sims) have absolute priority.
2. Leave ( which is not given in SS, but "points" and even then at sole discretion of the company)
3. Reserve. With 30 days "free reserve" in the COS, we effectively have fair-share reserve.
4. Based flying. I'm not saying Based people have priority, but if the system needs to move a Based person, it will.
5. Cost minimisation. EFP and HDP minimisation by using the computers to smash rosters together at about 84 hours.

So for all the SS zealots, you will have a strict seniority system. Any trip not required by training, on a day you are not on company allocated leave, reserve or a training event will be allocated to you in strict seniority, so long as the system doesn't require the trip for a based person or your selection results in you deviating from 84ish hours.

So if it makes you feel better, I will tickle your tummy and tell you that you will have a Strict Seniority System. But will you really have more meaningful input into your roster?

REALITY CHECK <off>
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Old 3rd Aug 2018, 02:52
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Payback for 150 years of crap from the other side. Bootís on the other foot now.
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