Ryanair to recognise Unions
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Ryanair to recognise Unions
Announcement today caused entirely by the threat of strikes in Ireland, Portugal and some other EU states, that Ryanair has agreed to recognise Unions in those countries and has also invited UK's BALPA to attend meetings to discuss "terms and conditions".
This from the LCC famous for its' boss M O'L saying only a couple of weeks ago the "Hell would freeze over" before he acknowledged any "aviation professional's" right to Industrial representation.
Described by the COO on the radio this morning as an "evolution of the business model" whereby "Aviation Professionals" (not "Pilots") should be recognised for the "contribution they make to the business".
As Traf has said many times, stupid, small minded, spiteful snipes at CX's "aviation professionals" can reap huge penalties in terms of fuel usage, OTP etc. Far bigger than the perceived "savings" announced by the bean counters and their puppets.
The worm is turning and the hell of Cathay Pacific is about to freeze over. Good Luck all………
This from the LCC famous for its' boss M O'L saying only a couple of weeks ago the "Hell would freeze over" before he acknowledged any "aviation professional's" right to Industrial representation.
Described by the COO on the radio this morning as an "evolution of the business model" whereby "Aviation Professionals" (not "Pilots") should be recognised for the "contribution they make to the business".
As Traf has said many times, stupid, small minded, spiteful snipes at CX's "aviation professionals" can reap huge penalties in terms of fuel usage, OTP etc. Far bigger than the perceived "savings" announced by the bean counters and their puppets.
The worm is turning and the hell of Cathay Pacific is about to freeze over. Good Luck all………
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Surely we, as a group need to recognise that the advantage is finally with the pilot profession, due an exponentially increasing pilot shortage. It is reaching critical levels all over the world. Although CX recruiting loves to deny it, they are having great trouble filling courses in ADL, and the resignation rate has now reached alarming levels. The entire middle section of our seniority list is looking for new employers (approx 2000 of our 3500 pilots). We need to press home our advantage. The AOA needs to immediately withdraw any proposal for concessions (i've just contributed 8% of my income, and also not to mention the other few % I would have had if the TA had gone through, which I voted against fyi). Instead of concessions, we need to double down on the CC and TB aspects. Time for T and C to resign enmasse, and for us to implement every single aspect of CC available to us. We shold also be informing the HK press that due to crewing issues, the schedule over the holidays is in question (and it had better be). Time to go on the offensive. I'm sick of being pushed around by interloping managers who only care about their bonus and their next Swire position in an unrelated company.
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It’s too bad that being dragged, kicking and screaming, into the twenty first century is the watershed moment for some people...
A confrontational and arrogant management has finally been defeated at Ryan Air....we can only hope that there are lessons learned by everyone in the airline industry.
A confrontational and arrogant management has finally been defeated at Ryan Air....we can only hope that there are lessons learned by everyone in the airline industry.
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MOL has agreed to "talks" on the very first day of proposed strike. He has "offered" to recognise Unions ( in order to "avert" strike). C'mon fellas, so blinded by your distaste for your current Management, you are failing to see how a really good manipulator works. Count yourselves very fortunate that MOL is not in your chair.
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Co-ordinated action and a united pilot force has made O'L backtrack. Loosing Xmas passengers is too big a risk even for that loudmouth and would damage the share price.
CNY is our Xmas and a unified show by CX pilots would get the same results.
CNY is our Xmas and a unified show by CX pilots would get the same results.
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What staggers me is that people of any company persuasion lack even a modicum of resistance.
I have seen it in numerous airlines of numerous cultures. I must add even seen it in other industries; rarely does organised labour even try to pull the curtain back, they just fold.
My only plausible alternative to all the well meaning people is that the union movement is inside the tent and insiders never work for the outside..
I have seen it in numerous airlines of numerous cultures. I must add even seen it in other industries; rarely does organised labour even try to pull the curtain back, they just fold.
My only plausible alternative to all the well meaning people is that the union movement is inside the tent and insiders never work for the outside..
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It really isn't that complicated. It's like the definition of "Insanity" (doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome). We (the collective 'we', including the AOA) have always done the 'same' thing, that is: showing weakness and submitting to bullying. Now, almost 25 years after the beginning of that era, we witness the collapse of the career of 'pilot' at CX. So, that being the case, can anyone still employed here as a pilot (less and less by the week) seriously advocate 'negotiation' and 'compromise' and 'concession'?? I might add that CX has just sent a message that they have no respect for their Captains (who still are showing up for work each day, brilliant way to show them how upset you are), and are now effectively instituting a 'D' scale. I think that without an immediate and forceful change of 'relationship' with our management (ie: the flu season is here), there is only one conclusion to reach: the pilots are insane, as they just keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Each one of you should be quietly encouraging your close peers to commit to action. Each one of you should be sending the message to CX that you will either have a proper career here, or you will have one elsewhere. At the moment, the majority of you don't deserve a proper career here, because you won't fight for it. Even more pathetically, most of you are content to let a small minority do the fighting for you. That will only ensure a loss for all.
We are now into the holiday season. CX is desperately hoping and bluffing to get them through that period without operational chaos. The ONLY reason you are reading articles about RyanAir is because THEIR pilots finally had enough and were bold enough to TAKE ACTION. What about YOU. Just asking....
Each one of you should be quietly encouraging your close peers to commit to action. Each one of you should be sending the message to CX that you will either have a proper career here, or you will have one elsewhere. At the moment, the majority of you don't deserve a proper career here, because you won't fight for it. Even more pathetically, most of you are content to let a small minority do the fighting for you. That will only ensure a loss for all.
We are now into the holiday season. CX is desperately hoping and bluffing to get them through that period without operational chaos. The ONLY reason you are reading articles about RyanAir is because THEIR pilots finally had enough and were bold enough to TAKE ACTION. What about YOU. Just asking....
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Traf ,
I hate to say it but CX pilots don’t have the guts to do what Ryanair have done and achieved . The sad part is that a large number of the pilots come from military backgrounds . I would not want to go into battle with someone who is not even prepared to make a stand to defend their career .
I just don’t get it , aren’t the Captains angry enough to actually take some action .if there was a concerted down tools on Mon Wed Fri until all,the issues had been corrected it would be over in a week or two and there would be a new DFO .
Alas this spineless bunch will achieve nothing except the degradation of their careers
I hate to say it but CX pilots don’t have the guts to do what Ryanair have done and achieved . The sad part is that a large number of the pilots come from military backgrounds . I would not want to go into battle with someone who is not even prepared to make a stand to defend their career .
I just don’t get it , aren’t the Captains angry enough to actually take some action .if there was a concerted down tools on Mon Wed Fri until all,the issues had been corrected it would be over in a week or two and there would be a new DFO .
Alas this spineless bunch will achieve nothing except the degradation of their careers
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So curtain rod,
Ryanair guys are not tough and manly and gutsy despite just overthrowing a totalitarian dictatorship which has caused a constant downward spiral for T&C throughout the industry for the last couple of decades ? All because they haven't been made property millionaires by their employer like some cx pilots ?
Interesting logic there.
Ryanair guys are not tough and manly and gutsy despite just overthrowing a totalitarian dictatorship which has caused a constant downward spiral for T&C throughout the industry for the last couple of decades ? All because they haven't been made property millionaires by their employer like some cx pilots ?
Interesting logic there.
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CR. Your point is a valid one. However, in any human endeavour to overcome tyranny, ultimately that involves risk, and not just wishful thinking. I have taken personal risk to fight, and I do have something to lose (mortgage, several years left to work if I so choose). I have concluded however that I can't send my flying days being treated in such a selfish and self-serving and deceitful fashion as is being imposed by the Swire's. Our profession deserves better. The reality is that there is really no choice: either we fight for what is right with the chance of victory, or we stay on our knees and see every vestige of value stripped away from our careers. I'd rather take on risk than acquiesce to that indignity and humiliation.
Yesterday, the Irish Independent first revealed the content of last Thursday's meeting, as Mr Bellew and Ryanair's chief people officer, Eddie Wilson, unmasked a broken culture and creaking operations that had been key ingredients in the genesis of the airline's September pilot-rostering fiasco.
"Part of the problem is that some of the people who were doing these jobs in the past, there was no training whatsoever," Mr Bellew admitted during the meeting.
He admitted that some of the airline's administrative staff saw it as their job to give pilots "a hard time".
"Part of the problem is that some of the people who were doing these jobs in the past, there was no training whatsoever," Mr Bellew admitted during the meeting.
He admitted that some of the airline's administrative staff saw it as their job to give pilots "a hard time".
https://www.independent.ie
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You missed the point again: When you have a lot less to lose (them, cabin crew, HKPA iCadets, burger flippers) and nothing holding you back from changing to another low wage career switch, going on strike is a pretty easy choice for fighting the tyranny.
If you lost your job, what’s stopping you from moving back to the UK (or wherever) to pick up a job with one of those 100 low-cost airlines? It ain’t much different from moving across Europe with wife and kids to start all over. Or you commute, which is painful in itself...
I don’t pretend to fully understand your circumstances, then show the Ryanair pilots some respect and salute them for putting their asses on the line. Fortunately, and I think this is the big breaker, they’re supported by labor rights which makes it very hard for MOL to get at them. Collectively, they just hadn’t realized that before.