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Old 6th Dec 2017, 14:12
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I am afraid Trafalgar is right. Every time I fly, there is always at least 1 crew member who has an application in or an interview somewhere.
What a pity
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 20:01
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In the mean time......

American Airlines announces that it has solved the problem of pilot shortage during the holiday period. The airline offered to pay 200% of the usual wage rate for those employees, willing to take up the understaffed flights, which are estimated to cause the company approximately $10 million.

American Airlines issued a statement, claiming that it has solved “some concern as to whether our flights over the December holidays would have adequate pilot staffing”. After the scheduling error became known, American offered extra pay to pilots willing to take up the flights. The initial offer of 150% was increased to 200% in the final deal. Although the real cost of the mix up is unknown, the media accounts that this deal might cost American around $10 million.

“We are pleased to report that together, American and the Allied Pilots Association have put that worry to rest to make sure our flights will operate as scheduled”, said the statement by American Airlines. “By working together, we can assure customers that among the many stresses of the season, worrying about a canceled flight won’t be one of them. In short, if Santa is flying, so is American. Much appreciation to APA President Capt. Dan Carey and our 15,000 professional aviators who are doing their part to cover the holiday schedule and beyond”.

American Airlines is working to repair its complicated employer-employee relations, but this is coming at a high price, Bloomberg reports. The latest agreement, together with mid-contract pay increases announced in April 2017 and 22% wage increases to mechanics, bag handlers and others announced in 2016, puts estimations of the airline’s expenses related to employee relations at over $1 billion.

In November 2017, a software glitch of American Airlines left thousands December 2017 flights without assigned pilots during the holiday period. Too many time off was given for pilots between December 17 and 31 because of an error, which caused the scheduling system to show sufficient staffing coverage for planned flights. As a result, over 15,000 flights were left without pilots.
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 20:22
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Oh, they only increased their baggage handlers pay by a measly 22%...! Barely acceptable. Pilot pay is up over 30%. You can see the similarity with CX. THAT is the reason we are all staying loyal to AT and committing our careers and family's future to CX and HK....oh, wait...hang on
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Old 6th Dec 2017, 20:25
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Wasn't it AT who said that if "we were mainly here for pay and benefits" we should probably look for employment elsewhere? What on earth other reason would be here for AT?, the clean air, large living space and pleasant locals?? I think I will be taking her advice, very soon.
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Old 12th Dec 2017, 17:46
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It has all been reduced to ‘just for the money’ so be it.
I did like RH’s spiel in the December newsletter...
“ to win with our customers we must win with our people”!!
Off to a great start.
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Old 12th Dec 2017, 22:42
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You honestly couldn't make up this drivel. As you said Blunder, "off to a great start". They lie to themselves just as much as they lie to us, and eventually they lose track of the lies. The problem is that they have no shame regarding their complete lack of integrity. Others have put it better than I, but for any of the comments on Yammer to have an effect, it needs to be backed up by an operational impact. That is up to us.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 08:33
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Originally Posted by checklistcomplete
What is totally sickening is this STC is an AOA member.
Not too sure that is the truth!
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 08:35
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Originally Posted by SOPS
Am I getting this right? These individuals were A scale captains, retired, and are now sim instructors on a C scale..am I understanding this correctly?

Don't these people have a life...are they so devoid of any personality that the only thing they can define themselves as is "A Cathay Person".

What a sad bunch they must be.
No this individual will continue to be a Captain on the trouble7
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 12:37
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Originally Posted by Air Profit
Wasn't it AT who said that if "we were mainly here for pay and benefits" we should probably look for employment elsewhere? What on earth other reason would be here for AT?, the clean air, large living space and pleasant locals?? I think I will be taking her advice, very soon.
I'm here because of the Illy coffee....
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 14:58
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Originally Posted by Air Profit
Wasn't it AT who said that if "we were mainly here for pay and benefits" we should probably look for employment elsewhere? What on earth other reason would be here for AT?, the clean air, large living space and pleasant locals?? I think I will be taking her advice, very soon.
I think ONE thing that kept people here was the sense of teamwork and camaraderie that had existed. One had a sense of justifiable pride in ones' airline and the people who made the product happen. We did it better and were the folks who made things happen. Striving for excellence.

With a potential side benefit of seeing parts of the world you might not otherwise get to see.

And enjoy coming to work and doing what you do.

Sadly much of that HAS been destroyed over the years--and to me has accelerated recently. Largely due to loss of confidence and trust; chiseling away at the pay and benefits being one particular breach of trust. As well as incoherent rostering making a relatively simple task unnecessarily difficult and fatiguing. So now you're stuck with something that's at best just a job. Hence the large amount of folks looking elsewhere. I think one strives for professional development and having a satisfying career. ONE aspect of this might be money, but there are so many more factors that are important. To me at least the job has lost much of what it might have had going for it.

When I hire someone to work on something I care about (whether that's car, house, or even me or a loved one) I want someone I can trust who cares about what they are doing. And I do whatever I can to hire the best and take good care of them. If I don't particularly care ABOUT product (and don't mind a sh!tty car that is unreliable) then maybe not as much. But most of us don't want this in things we care about.

So we take good care of the help. Knowing that WE have to live with what THEY do and the quality of it.

Not to mention it's the right thing to do. I want happy and grateful folks in what is my home. If I cheat them, chisel them, or am a cheap bastage (and hound and berate them, lie to them, or discount the job they've chosen as a career) my result is probably going to suck. And I'm the one stuck living with it (as well as with having a reputation of being a pr!ck who people don't want to work for).

This isn't where I want to be or the person I want to be.

Perhaps others don't care.
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Old 13th Dec 2017, 16:04
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Good post Shep
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Old 14th Dec 2017, 01:17
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Originally Posted by Shep69
So now you're stuck with something that's at best just a job. Hence the large amount of folks looking elsewhere.
Not to mention Hong Kong ain't what it used to be. It's become extremely expat unfriendly, overcrowded, and ridiculously expensive. The cons completely outweigh the pros.
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