What will YOU do to protect your pay and conditions?

[Air Profit]

Each and every one of us must resolve to take some form of personal action to protect their pay and conditions. That action must be focused and targeted on the holiday season. What will YOU do?

[Air Profit]

CR. I personally know of three trainers who will be resigning with any confirmed cuts to their housing or pension. Two of them are ready to leave the company altogether. Fact, not speculation. Several STC's and TC's have resigned lately, and there are more to follow. I will not personally play a part in the company's plans if they attack us directly (so far there is no attack, only threats). If a contract is imposed, count out one more STC. There are many others i'm sure who will not help the CX after they have attacked their very own housing pay and conditions. Have faith. Incidentally , the main point was what actions are individuals planning on taking over the holidays. The weather is awfully cold, and lung issues become a big problem. Can't fly with the flue or a head cold.

[Air Profit]

Christmas and CNY. We have the upper hand, and from what i'm hearing we are going to use it.

[Air Profit]

Not to mention the added complication of dozens of more resignations every month.

[Air Profit]

The HKAOA does need to be filing court cases regarding the protection of the clause in our contracts regarding 'suitable accommodation'.

[Trafalgar]

Hear hear AP. Time for the AOA to reject dealing with liars and cheats, and begin to focus on PR and strategy.

[Dragon69]

It's obvious the company wants additional and permanent concessions. Who in their right mind would sign a new CoS with such excessive concessions. Reduced housing with severe cuts to our CoS, why bother?

[Amber Vibes]

If the majority of you believe this, then it's time to dump the baby and the bath water.

[Fat_Dumb_and_Unhappy]

Originally Posted by Air Profit

CR. I personally know of three trainers who will beresigning with any confirmed cuts to their housing or pension. Two of them are ready to leave the company altogether. Fact, not speculation. Several STC's and TC's have resigned lately, and there are more to follow. I will not personally play a part in the company's plans ifthey attack us directly (so far there is no attack, only threats).

With all due respect, the comment quoted above highlights exactly why we as a pilot group will always face an uphill battle. I can only assume that providing the aforementioned trainers do not suffer any ‘Confirmed’ cuts, then they will continue ops normal, even if the rest of us do have cuts imposed on us. Not to worry though, we always have that pesky entitled ‘Spikey Haired Brigade’ to blame for the degradation of our contracts

[gulliBell]

Originally Posted by Air Profit

Each and every one of us must resolve to take some form of personal action to protect their pay and conditions. That action must be focused and targeted on the holiday season. What will YOU do?

I vaguely remember the name Tony Tyler, and 42 - or however many CX pilots it was - he necked in one hit the last time the pilots contemplated some collective action on the Industrial front. Unfortunately if history is any indicator, pilots who aren't happy with their employment agreement as offered, it's better to vote individually with your feet and find a better deal elsewhere, and leave on favourable terms at a time of their own choosing, rather than taking some collective action in the hope of scoring a better deal and risk being added to the list of names who ceased to be employed at a time and in circumstances not of their own choosing.

[checklistcomplete]

gulliBell

What planet do you live on ? It was 49 pilots. If you don't even know that you really should keep quiet.

[gulliBell]

Like I said, vague memory...42 or 49, it was a big number to get the chop yet the operation kept on going. Doesn't change the point I was making. And thanks for refreshing my memory on that.

[checklistcomplete]

I have little respect and absolutely no sympathy for the barbies and spikey hair pretty boys who now populate the flight deck and AOA. Most wet behind the ears, zero aviation or life experience and clinging to the protection afforded them by the senior pilots in the company. Your futures are evapourating in front of your eyes and yet you do nothing. NOTHING. Phone home and ask mummy what to do .

[Average Fool]

If this isn't the pot talking to the kettle I don't know what is.

The new generation is there because the generations before them did absolutely nothing to stop the degradation.

[Ipad]

Checklistcomplete you weren’t paying attention it was 51 pilots.

[Captain Dart]

The new (el cheapo) generation is also there because some of the old generation are voluntarily training them.

[checklistcomplete]

Ipad
I didn't want to mention ( out or respect ) our two colleagues who are sadly no longer with us.

[checklistcomplete]

Originally Posted by Average Fool

If this isn't the pot talking to the kettle I don't know what is.

The new generation is there because the generations before them did absolutely nothing to stop the degradation.

Ah, so your mummy told you to say that did she !
Honestly, look around you when you go to work next. There are the real pilots and then there is the kindergarden brigade.
Unfortunately for you, other airlines will recruit the real pilots first leaving you lot having to wipe your own backsides for the first time. Good luck with that.
You could of course run back to mummy again.

[Average Fool]

Yes, you have it all correct. The problem lies in the C scalers. If it weren’t for them joining you wouldn’t have your package shrinking.

[Ivanchu]

And what have you done exactly to protect your own terms and conditions? Nothing. No use blaming the c-scalers. Time to take ownership of your own fate.