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Emerging KA Crewing Crisis And Contact Compliance?

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Emerging KA Crewing Crisis And Contact Compliance?

Old 19th Oct 2017, 14:32
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Senior KA crew being asked if they'd like a SYD base too..

WTF people.. who makes this up? I can't believe anyone would even repeat half the posted here. It does no one in our pilot group any good.
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 00:09
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What about my Chengdu basing
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 06:18
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Staggers there is a bit of a waiting list for a CTU basing, popular base, you might not even be senior enough to bid for the O day there. Lovely location
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 08:37
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For those looking for a CTU base with improved salary Longreach aviation have a roadshow on 24-26th. Many of your KA capt friends will be there
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Old 20th Oct 2017, 09:08
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Chengdu..FFS. Are they investing in breathing equipment ? Drager, sort of thing firemen use.
Longreach...the pilots' friend...especially when taking their 12%, or is it 15 these days. ?
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 06:15
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Hong Kong is fast becoming a "graveyard" for unemployed pilots from around the globe whose state airlines have gone bankrupt ( Alitalia ) or independents that have failed ( Air Berlin and Monarch ).
CAD will accept any license it seems although this is not reciprocated with by other agencies. The executive pilot experience levels are frightening.
As a result the old players( CX and KA ) are taking advantage and reducing packages to the lowest common denominator and will pay market rates.

Elsewhere, in the real world, airlines are cottoning on to a worldwide pilot shortage and upping their deals to attract new talent now.

Like the housing market in Hong Kong the pilot demand and supply model is badly broken and when the "crash" comes !
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 08:32
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I know I know but think of all the pandas😂
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 09:25
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Aah the pandas. Worth it then. Worth it. 500 pounds of permanently loafing bamboo recycling giant raccoons. Lazy

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Old 21st Oct 2017, 17:45
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Hong Kong is fast becoming a "graveyard" for unemployed pilots from around the globe whose state airlines have gone bankrupt ( Alitalia ) or independents that have failed ( Air Berlin and Monarch ).
Doubt many will be coming here. Lufthansa are in the market for Alitalia and Air Berlins and will probably take on most, if not all their pilots. And when the 400 Monarch pilots were let loose on the job market, there was a feeding frenzy. Jet 2, Virgin, easyJet, Aer Lingus, Emirates, NetJets, Titan, Wow and Parc all set up fast track recruitment for them. Three of my Monarch mates have already accepted jobs with easyJet - one as a direct entry TIRE. Even the RAF invited the ex military guys to get in touch. The pilot shortage is very real.

CX/KA are no longer the employers of choice. Morale is very low in both companies and if even 10% of the guys who say they will leave if their Ts and Cs are cut do actually go to other employers, they will spark a major crewing crisis.
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Old 21st Oct 2017, 17:47
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And don't forget Sichuan Airlines! https://youtu.be/gCvuLb4i4iQ
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 00:56
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and the Owl soufflé is heavenly not to mention many other delicacies.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 02:27
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Recruit from where ?

SCMP today HKA going to purchase zillions of 787's.
A big factor in the decision making process,,,,,,, Boeing probably already issues FCOM & doc's in Spanish & Portuguese.

Both countries collapsing mi Amigos - bring on the Paella
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 03:14
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Yes don’t forget “baby baby squeak squeak “. Gravid mouse, squeezed until immature foetuses pop out. Eaten with chopsticks of course. Best washed down with a bottle of glycerin and arsenic laden beer.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 03:54
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Like the europeans don't eat some odd stuff

Rotten fish
Rotten cheese
Live oysters
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 04:12
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And your point is. ? Excellent all of them. And I think our Americans readers might resemble that remark.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 06:10
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 06:11
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More to the point, HKA will be trying to attract CX Boeing pilots, who can do a quick rating on the 787. The industry will be doing all they can to strip away CX's pilots, and you can be assured that within 24 months CX will be in the midst of an irreversible crewing crisis. At that point, no matter what they do, it will be futile. Their name is already anathema to most career minded pilots, and will be even more so as the months go by.
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 07:44
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Will Cathay Pacific face a pilot exodus to mainland airlines as it cuts salaries and benefits? | South China Morning Post
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 15:07
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Quote: “Our resignation rate and early retirement rate … are both a very manageable and in the appropriate range as we continue with our plans to recruit, train, and retain the appropriate mix of skilled pilots to meet our growth plans...”

Wishful thinking...whistling past the graveyard...optimism bias...ostrich effect....
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Old 22nd Oct 2017, 15:14
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Guys an honest question. How many pilots from KA have gone to a mainland carrier? Even if they pay much more money.
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