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HPE - ARAPA

Old 28th Sep 2017, 05:34
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HPE - ARAPA

Just heard the HPE guys are trying to negotiate ARAPA at the expense of MPF, Salary and RP's. Talking of other concessions too.

Not cool guys, all in together, shouldn't be making concessions anywhere no matter what carrot management dangle in front of you.

Accept NO concessions.

We must keep ALL standards including ARAPA and pay rises with inflation at bare minimum.

If you are ARAPA, don't start a war with LEP's as this is super short sighted.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 05:43
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Hows that payrise hanging over there at CX hahaha...

I hear there's no 13th for you guys. But hey you do get to do looooong haul.
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 06:16
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For those of you in the HKAOA please go to the website and put your name down for the letter to be sent to the DFO from pilots. Over 800 so far
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Old 28th Sep 2017, 12:41
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Yeah, and I heard the invasion was to be at Calais.
Seriously, some people will believe anything that's said to them without giving it any thought at all.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 05:43
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Kahaha,

Seriously are you 12? Are you actually KA? I don't think you are. I don't think I've met anyone there like you. If you are just a wind up artist it's quite obvious. If not you are obviously an idiot.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 07:25
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330 I'd say he's the latter.

Speaks volumes about our hiring policy....
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 08:36
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Heard the principle theme is:

Carrot
Work to 65

Stick
PF reduces to 13% so you have to work to 65
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 11:01
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Believe me now??

ARAPA notice to terminate has been given, leaving the expats last hope to keep ARAPA by negotiating it in HPE.

Don't make concessions including ARAPA. Accept nothing less than the status quo.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 11:04
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This from kahaha in Terms and Endearment in the 'Joining Ryanair' thread:

Hi guys. Im in the Far east and can afford to pay for the €28k DEC training. I want a Milano base and overtime . And a stable roster and bonus .
Any guys there can add any info?
I understand its only 18 hours per week of duty and a really great company. I hear they are reducing the roster workload , which sounds great .
Thanks in advance

He's clearly the latter....
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 11:13
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Good job DS - HPE is AWESOME!
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 12:06
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After the cancellation of ARAPA, if ANY trainer does not resign from training now then there is no hope. The Training Ban is the only thing that the company is scared of. Why else would GMF send an email to all trainers trying to soften the blow of ARAPA cancellation.

ALL TRAINERS MUST IMMEDIATELY RESIGN FROM TRAINING!!
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 12:11
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Feeling very unwell now with all this uncertainty ......whats one to do with all this stress....
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 13:00
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And apparently, according to the latest Boeing newsletter, we are due a "record " cargo uplift next month, ie October. And we're all to be thanked. Are we now ? Just pointing it out.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 11:40
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3 moves left

HPE played right into mgmt hands.

Move 1
Say yes to HPE

move 2
Give strategic wins to aoa re Jeppesen (hence some minor concessions from company)

Move 3
Cancel Arapa
Make aoa members pissed at DS

Move 4
Offer new contract with hkpa only (sweetened levels). Tied to withdrawing cc and tb with good old clause 7.

Move 5
Offer trainers big improvements on above said contract ala good old Arapa.

Move 6a
If aoa votes down above, contract offered individually. Membership levels drop. Members join training. TB gone. Check mate

Move 6b
If aoa approves. TB gone, CC Gone, ARAPA gone, mgmt Still have upper hand in RP AGREEMENT since no reimplementation of CC and TB
Check mate.
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Old 30th Sep 2017, 15:09
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As an addendum try:

- Keep HKG as a training base only.
- All non-trainers employed on N Am, (BREXIT) European and Aus base with own seniority and 'career' system.
- If a Capt 'volunteers' (stupid idea in the first place) to train, then HKG base it is.
- No cadet system required (at quite a cost saving) ONLY recruiting to bases
- No need to pay HKPA to the local guys and gals as the expat requirement has disappeared (at the SO, FO and non TC levels - I'm stumped with the local TCs!!!!
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Old 4th Oct 2017, 16:02
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Lifestyle initiatives!!

Company says they've been in discussions with the Hkaoa about lifestyle initiatives. Sounds like the lifestyle initiatives are going to be cuts for all pilots to try and keep arapa for the minority, which is what arapa is. The minority. Don't sacrifice what little conditions we have for arapa.

Vote no to any cuts including arapa cuts.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 05:45
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don't sell everyone's benefits for ARAPA

It's gone

Don't try and salvage ARAPA by selling everyone down the river.
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Old 29th Oct 2017, 15:28
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Gosh, could this just possibly, allegedly be another cretinous management mole? Hmm, post #2, advising us to just roll over and take it. I know what my contract says, and it says I am entitled to ARAPA. Nothing to do with 'everyone' else.
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 02:27
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Company has given fair-share rostering as a bribe to the spiky hair crowd. No cost to the Company, removes transparency from the roster and makes the spikys happy. The only fair rostering is strict seniority.

Next they will offer an increase in the living allowance.

At the other end they will look after the Trainers.

In the middle they will screw over the ARAPA guys.

AOA needs to add a rule - No agreement will be entered into if it comes at the cost of concessions from any pilot group.
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Old 30th Oct 2017, 06:46
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Negotiations

Originally Posted by CowardlyPilot View Post
Just heard the HPE guys are trying to negotiate ARAPA at the expense of MPF, Salary and RP's. Talking of other concessions too.

Not cool guys, all in together, shouldn't be making concessions anywhere no matter what carrot management dangle in front of you.

Accept NO concessions.

We must keep ALL standards including ARAPA and pay rises with inflation at bare minimum.

If you are ARAPA, don't start a war with LEP's as this is super short sighted.
Why not throw in negotiating to keep a half assed Medical Insurance benefit as well. They just took an axe to that as well but I bet you didn't notice.. You or a family member get real sick or injured and you'll find out how (un) well your coverage is....
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