Crew Complement
Joined: Nov 2007
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From: Brexitland
"Our number one priority is making money for ourselves"
"Somewhere down the list of "Priorities" is Safety but we mostly leave that up to the pilots who seem to cope quite well with almost every insult and difficulty we put in their way"
"Impressive really because in the briefing to Senior Executives, we always try to emphasise what a thick bunch of walkovers the Pilots are" " Amazing how well they do".
Come on Swire - tell the bloody truth for a change!
"Somewhere down the list of "Priorities" is Safety but we mostly leave that up to the pilots who seem to cope quite well with almost every insult and difficulty we put in their way"
"Impressive really because in the briefing to Senior Executives, we always try to emphasise what a thick bunch of walkovers the Pilots are" " Amazing how well they do".
Come on Swire - tell the bloody truth for a change!
Joined: Mar 2000
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From: the land of chocolate
Great, this is making my job a lot harder.
Now every time we land, one of the front seat pilots will be completely tired, be it the Captain or the Fo,
Not good at all. I will also miss the occasional suggestions from the back, unless the So's become a bit more vocal.
Maybe this is what all that talk about increased responsibility was all about a few weeks back.
Now every time we land, one of the front seat pilots will be completely tired, be it the Captain or the Fo,
Not good at all. I will also miss the occasional suggestions from the back, unless the So's become a bit more vocal.
Maybe this is what all that talk about increased responsibility was all about a few weeks back.
Joined: Jun 1999
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From: Oztrailia
Yep never once has the RQ ever been known to do a sector on a long haul........
Yes it happens a lot already, otherwise a hell of a lot of RQ's would never get a sector.
The loss of experience on the flight deck is the main concern as is the slower upgrade times for SO's, it's yet another imposed degradation to us all. Not to mention the loss of assistance to the CN at the coal face.
Yes it happens a lot already, otherwise a hell of a lot of RQ's would never get a sector.
The loss of experience on the flight deck is the main concern as is the slower upgrade times for SO's, it's yet another imposed degradation to us all. Not to mention the loss of assistance to the CN at the coal face.
Joined: Apr 2017
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From: Uk
The CDR signs for the jet and is responsible for it and all the occupants until everyone is off and in the terminal. Therefore, with 2 SOs and a knackered RQFO, he should be doing the landing. If he assesses that the FO is not fit for purpose (too tired) he should declare an emergency as the 2 SOs are not licensed below 20K ft and, therefore, technically the flight is now single pilot. A minimum of an MOR and an ASRF would be required, in addition to the investigation under ICAO ANNEX 13. How long before the second FO would be reinstated?
Joined: May 2009
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From: VHHH Ocean 2D
Ummm whilst I get the point your making, how many have? 15 Miles out at 4500 on the Loc or 3 miles out at 900', again in a straight line is still not hand flying in my book.
Or maybe that is the point your making. Either way the whole place stinks.
Or maybe that is the point your making. Either way the whole place stinks.
Joined: Apr 2017
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From: Uk
The corollary is that very few of the people I fly with fully understand the automatics because they want to 'hand fly' - which results in little or no mode selection directions! And when they do try, their ability (or lack of) to multitask shows through!
Joined: Oct 2007
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From: Hong Kong
Or, maybe 100 line pilots can try writing a letter and attaching their names to it.
Go for it Liam and Steve....I mean, seriously, go for it. My name was on the trainers letter.
Put your pens to paper....
Go for it Liam and Steve....I mean, seriously, go for it. My name was on the trainers letter.
Put your pens to paper....
Joined: Jan 2005
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From: Nippi
I will happily sign such a letter. The FO in this situation will be unsafe. A few maydays because of
pilot incapacitation should do the trick. Especially in good ole America.
pilot incapacitation should do the trick. Especially in good ole America.
Last edited by DropKnee; 16th July 2017 at 20:39.
Joined: Oct 2009
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From: Hong Kong
Whilst I applaud the initiative of those trainers who signed the letter, how many of them resigned when nothing came of it? Few, if any I suspect. To those who remained, I don't think you can have it both ways, that is, complain about something that you vehemently disagree with and then continue to support the activities that you complained about. I think the phrase is, "Put your money where your mouth is"
