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COS 17

Old 30th Jun 2017, 04:44
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COS 17

The latest COS is making its way around the third floor to be reviewed before being sent to us. I want you to know the fleet offices are NOT on our side no matter what newsletters say.

NO, I will NOT be signing another COS with this company and neither should anyone, enough is enough. You know it won't be an improvement and housing will be going in October as part of the new Cos. We will be blamed for the CMP meltdown. It's very simple, there isn't enough crew to make it work. It's a trick and they are using it against us in all this Time To Win, Project Altitude talk.

We all need to be well aware of what's coming. They will test us and see whom is willing to sell us out again. It's a divide and conquer tactic. Don't fall for it.

WE REALLY NEED TO ALL BE UNITED NOW AGAINST ANOTHER BLATANT ATTACK ON OUR COSs. THIS WILL AFFECT EVERYONE ON ALL BASES.

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Old 30th Jun 2017, 05:01
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Totally agree. It's time for action.

How about CC and a training ban?

Enough is enough.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 06:07
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Why would a new COS be shown around the 3rd floor? There is nothing from a Flt Ops perspective in the COS so sounds like a load of BS to me.
Visionary, you may need a new set of specs.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 06:30
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Really

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Why would a new COS be shown around the 3rd floor? There is nothing from a Flt Ops perspective in the COS so sounds like a load of BS to me.
Visionary, you may need a new set of specs.
New COS definition of a work month - "normally", to ensure proper rest and an adequate normal family lifestyle, crew members will be rostered for 95 hours a month however due to unforeseen circumstances and/or commercial necessity, crew members "may" be rostered for up to 115 hrs per month. If this should occur, rostering managers will, without fail, ensure this does not occur for more than 4 consecutive months or for a total of 9 months in any one calendar year.
To offset for this type occurrence, crew members will receive overtime pay at the threshold of 105 hrs in any 1 month period..
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 07:34
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I am labouring under an illusion that I have a contract and that that contract cannot be amended without my agreement to any amendment .

Why should I agree to a new COS which would significantly reduce my life expectancy?
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 07:43
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Hilarious. The company can barely operate their fleet as it is. Resignations are mounting by the month. Basically, there are two letters in the alphabet that sum up my response to any change of my cos. You can probably guess what they are. A desperate bunch, and I will quite happily say goodbye if need be. No one here has a 'career', so there is really nothing to lose.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 07:55
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Sickness would go though the roof., and no one would sign
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 09:32
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Originally Posted by rustyoldtin View Post
Sickness would go though the roof., and no one would sign
Really? Suspect STW would jump at it, especially if it included a 0.5% increase in pay for only an additional 20 hours work per month. Whats not to like?
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 10:01
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Starbear, I can smell your full pants up to my hotel suite.

5% plus housing and zero more hours don't sound so bad now, ey?

You guys didn't like the fine print of the last offer, hope you like the big print of the next offer more....

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Old 30th Jun 2017, 10:28
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Oooo....
So this ties in with the latest rule change a very apathetic GC are trying to sell us?
Take a look at this howler in the forum
Nonsense!
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 13:42
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The only thing that I'm concerned about right now is that in the last 2 union newsletters, I haven't seen STW's name on the Union resignation list.

May I remind you of the thread circa 6 weeks ago where Sam threw his toys out the pram and announced his resignation. Seems its just more Hot Air from his backside.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 17:36
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You will have the career you deserve 370.
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Old 30th Jun 2017, 19:40
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I have always found it baffling -- completely baffling -- that in these high falutin' management schools folks never seem to learn that a workforce divided amongst itself will lose money. It might do OK for awhile in an externally protected market but the day of reckoning always comes. Fix the blame generates useless words. Fix the problem generates solutions.

Divide and conquer might work for some things, but never results in a particularly efficient workforce. And when competition kicks in, efficiency is what counts. Keeping it better than the other guy; having a quality product where folks enforce the high standards of the place and organization they love. Working as a team with justifiable pride in what they do and keeping it great.

Your job can either be something you trudge to simply to pay the bills, or something that is a fun and grateful part of your life. If it's the former, the organization loses its identity and kinda muddles along. Nothing particularly good gets done to make things better and fix things, and 'not my department' starts to kick in as the pipes start to leak and the floors accumulate trash. If it's the latter, the sky's the limit (hey, THERE's a slogan !) in productivity and potential. And folks WANT to be there and are actually happy.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 04:17
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Do you care if the guy who assembled your iPhone loves his job?

Do you think your iPhone would be a better iPhone if the worker was happy while he assembled it?

Do you think the factory owner cares as long as the worker shows up and does what he has been told?
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 04:18
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Please pay attention

On the other side of flight crew delivery (called something else now) is the COS admin team! The are responsible for, guess??? THE COS(s)! The fleet offices are whom we answer to. Re-read my post, go to the third floor to see what I am talking about. Man alive. Attention to detail gets you a 1 on your ERAS and Level 1 ICAO English fire wall.

Now, Here's what I think is coming. Take a chair, and pay goddam attention.
-The COS 99ers have been told they can go at 55. They want to stay, including a negotiating AOA guy, but has been told BYE! This is what they think of people leaving, THEY DON'T CARE. We really want them to but they don't. 30% cost cuts in flight ops, remember.
-Next, COS08ers can stay but ARAPA will be cancelled unless you sign the RPs or cancelled anyway. You'll get a new "allowance".
-Next, sign COS 17 which will include HKPA, probably an increase for most but the old timers will see a cut, to basically what rental is now. It will also include RPs.

This will be how they get around sign or be fired. You heard it here first.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Have at it. Flame away.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 04:45
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Quote "-The COS 99ers have been told they can go at 55. They want to stay..."

Well, I'm a COS99 and I don't want to stay past 55. I'm looking forward to leaving. But thanks for telling me what I want to do with my life. Cheers.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 04:48
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Seriously!

Some management fishing and the usual suspects start bleating like a heard of goats.

Just for you Visionary:

- On the current teetering operation, Cathay are making shed loads of cash. Shed loads.
- Housing is an allowance to attract special skilled employee groups: like pilots, to Hong Kong and KEEP them there. The CURRENT policy is failing to do that
- Between now and the end of next year, Cathay will lose as many captains as they can train. And if latest numbers are correct, FOs as well.
- We cant attract close to the amount of DE FOs or even SOs that are needed.
- Training has effectively stopped

A new COS to cut the conditions even further and accelerate the drop?? Even they aren't that stupid.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 04:48
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Originally Posted by The Visionary View Post
On the other side of flight crew delivery (called something else now) is the COS admin team! The are responsible for, guess??? THE COS(s)! The fleet offices are whom we answer to. Re-read my post, go to the third floor to see what I am talking about. Man alive. Attention to detail gets you a 1 on your ERAS and Level 1 ICAO English fire wall.

Now, Here's what I think is coming. Take a chair, and pay goddam attention.
-The COS 99ers have been told they can go at 55. They want to stay, including a negotiating AOA guy, but has been told BYE! This is what they think of people leaving, THEY DON'T CARE. We really want them to but they don't. 30% cost cuts in flight ops, remember.
-Next, COS08ers can stay but ARAPA will be cancelled unless you sign the RPs or cancelled anyway. You'll get a new "allowance".
-Next, sign COS 17 which will include HKPA, probably an increase for most but the old timers will see a cut, to basically what rental is now. It will also include RPs.

This will be how they get around sign or be fired. You heard it here first.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Have at it. Flame away.

Yup this is basically what I hear aswell, it won't be quite as obvious at first but this is the end game for them right now. Shrink the airline till the expensive folks and fuel is gone, then rapidly expand again on cheap labor. They are using the fuel hedge to cry wolf and cancel their expensive mistakes. Something in the ballpark of 900million hkd is what Anna wants to carve out of fop.
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 05:09
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well...AT, a couple of other managers and their bonuses should just about cover it...
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Old 1st Jul 2017, 06:35
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I guess I was not clear enough. I meant some of the COS 99ers, not all. Not meant to offend Despot75. Mr Did, It's not they are stupid, again, they don't care.

The offices are now called "flight crew employees relations" and "Flight crew people services", for what it's worth.
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