SYD base screwed
Joined: Jul 1999
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From: hongkong
How long have they been talking about increased slots on bases? They can't even replace the base resignations and retirement vacancies without using them as a bargaining tool. After a year or more of 'bases will be opening up' the Sydney base is downsizing despite extra daily services being implemented. The offer is relocate to hk or redundancy!! Like that's a choice? Oh I did omit transfers to Mel or bne If slots exist!!! Who are they kidding?? There haven't been any for a decade!!
Good luck dragging your families back to hk.. my sympathies.. really.
Good luck dragging your families back to hk.. my sympathies.. really.
Joined: Sep 2009
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From: Retired-ville
I know it's a rumour network, but the facts are I believe less contentious than portrayed.
Instead of crapping on without knowing the details, why not ask a friend who is based there?
I'm happy to be corrected, but my understanding from the friend of one of the adfected crew is as follows:
The AAOA were in the loop.
They were advised before the letters to crew were sent.
They had their AAOA letter ready to go once the company sent theirs, it's on the AAOA website, I was shown it.
The procedure CX are adopting complies with the required consultative process.
Clearly the outcome is debatable and unknown.
Individual SYD crew have more than one option - yes it includes leaving or going to HK.
It appears there may be 8-12 individuals who's circumstances may change for the better.
There may sadly be 2-6 individuals who may have to take an alternative base and commute.
There are finite base slots in MEL and BNE that have been made available.
The taking up of these slots appears to be in accordance with what is written in either the Basings agreement and/or the COS of the crew affected.
Any disruption to families and jobs is far from ideal. However in this case, the end result is likely to be more crew are where they want to be based, and less crew will have to do a domestic commute.
That's not to diminish the serious upheaval it may have for some of the junior based crew who live in Syd, but who may, depending on the consultation process, have to choose one of the less favourable options like leave, go to HK, or commute from MEL/BNE.
On balance though, and rarely for CX, in this case there are likely to be significantly more winners than losers.
Instead of crapping on without knowing the details, why not ask a friend who is based there?
I'm happy to be corrected, but my understanding from the friend of one of the adfected crew is as follows:
The AAOA were in the loop.
They were advised before the letters to crew were sent.
They had their AAOA letter ready to go once the company sent theirs, it's on the AAOA website, I was shown it.
The procedure CX are adopting complies with the required consultative process.
Clearly the outcome is debatable and unknown.
Individual SYD crew have more than one option - yes it includes leaving or going to HK.
It appears there may be 8-12 individuals who's circumstances may change for the better.
There may sadly be 2-6 individuals who may have to take an alternative base and commute.
There are finite base slots in MEL and BNE that have been made available.
The taking up of these slots appears to be in accordance with what is written in either the Basings agreement and/or the COS of the crew affected.
Any disruption to families and jobs is far from ideal. However in this case, the end result is likely to be more crew are where they want to be based, and less crew will have to do a domestic commute.
That's not to diminish the serious upheaval it may have for some of the junior based crew who live in Syd, but who may, depending on the consultation process, have to choose one of the less favourable options like leave, go to HK, or commute from MEL/BNE.
On balance though, and rarely for CX, in this case there are likely to be significantly more winners than losers.
Joined: Mar 2000
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This is devastating for all the BIFFOs in HK
What Longtimeincx says may be true when viewed by those already Oz based. However, for the huge number of fine Australian fellows (and their families) based in HK, this will be devastating news. What does this mean for the prospect of future Australian bases? Not good I expect.
Still, I am sure an outfit called Restructuring Associates Inc will help us out. We all want our employment to be "restructured"; don't we?
Google "employment restructuring" to see what I mean.
Still, I am sure an outfit called Restructuring Associates Inc will help us out. We all want our employment to be "restructured"; don't we?
Google "employment restructuring" to see what I mean.
Last edited by Liam Gallagher; 25th June 2017 at 08:57.
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From: VHHH Ocean 2D
And what happens if MEL becomes 777 only as well? Doesn't MEL have capacity restraints too? Since this is a rumor network. Does the current "restructuring" add weight to the rumour that CX wants to get rid of all Aus bases? Regardless how much us Pilots think Bases saves the company in terms of Housing. Perhaps the rough calculation Pilot x housing x month x slots = $$$million in savings isn't as simple as we all thought.
Joined: Mar 2008
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From: London
I have always suspected that the company's goal was to get rid of housing. Once accomplished, there is very little reason to have bases. Perhaps those of you on HKPA might want to consider that. If they take down ARAPA, there is probably even less chance of any of you getting bases in the future.
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From: uk
Sydney base screwed?
I am sorry to have to predict that not only Sydney and every other base but this company is screwed. If anyone out there truly believes that the bunch of f*ckwits who drove this company to its knees has any capability or resurrecting it, no matter what the guy skull(king) around in the former CoD office or inhabiting the 3rd floor and above get up to, it's beyond their combined capabilities.
I am sorry to have to predict that not only Sydney and every other base but this company is screwed. If anyone out there truly believes that the bunch of f*ckwits who drove this company to its knees has any capability or resurrecting it, no matter what the guy skull(king) around in the former CoD office or inhabiting the 3rd floor and above get up to, it's beyond their combined capabilities.
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: somewhere above the sea
Are you guys kidding?
The only base that's been screwed here is Hong Kong.
This is clearly a type change in home base that's covered in the basing agreement.
It's not a reduction in manning levels which is what's being erroneously and mischievously used to put junior people into Melbourne and Brisbane.
The current Sydney based guys should be doing a type change, in reverse seniority if required, and the clear undermanning of mel and bne due to years of attrition should be filled by those senior enough to bid for it. Which will mostly be Hong Kong based crew. Mutually agreed base swaps could also then follow if so desired.
All that's happened here is we've agreed to allow the company to offer less base slots overall than they otherwise would have had to provide.
Well done- another own goal.
This is clearly a type change in home base that's covered in the basing agreement.
It's not a reduction in manning levels which is what's being erroneously and mischievously used to put junior people into Melbourne and Brisbane.
The current Sydney based guys should be doing a type change, in reverse seniority if required, and the clear undermanning of mel and bne due to years of attrition should be filled by those senior enough to bid for it. Which will mostly be Hong Kong based crew. Mutually agreed base swaps could also then follow if so desired.
All that's happened here is we've agreed to allow the company to offer less base slots overall than they otherwise would have had to provide.
Well done- another own goal.