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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:25
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CX is losing pilots. Thats a fact.

Whether or not it has an affect on the plan is anyones guess.

One thing you can be sure of is that they will never acknowledge it, detrimental or not.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 19:28
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More and more and more and more....whether the management acknowledge it or not. At the same time, competitors are starting to offer more attractive packages to attract experience. The trend will only accelerate if CX don't pull their finger out. Of course, by the time they wake up to the threat it will be far too late. Arrogance and hubris have a price.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 20:06
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Hopefully that price is only monetary.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 02:09
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CX has an obsolete business model, incompetent management and higher costs than its competitors. Future not looking very bright. The good days of the 1980s will soon be just a memory in the minds of the retired A scalers who got in and out at the best times.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 02:19
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Ever notice its always the "looming" or "upcoming" pilot shortage?

Suckers!
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 17:55
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And here's another one: from the CNBC business website. Basically, AT seems to think it good business practice to piss off your highly technically trained and essential crew, just when a historic shortage of said personnel is developing. Genius.

Airline industry facing a massive shortfall of pilots, survey says
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 19:11
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Call me a sentimental

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2776306/British-Airways-reveals-flying-really-changed-Eighties.html
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Old 20th Jun 2017, 21:11
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Why would she care about resignations?

She will be "manager Swire _______" soon.

That problem is for someone else to deal with (poorly)
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Old 21st Jun 2017, 01:34
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Does anyone think that this "shortage" (if in fact there is one), will improve the airline 'cadetships' such that airlines will be more likely to sponsor (or part sponsor) cadets rather than forcing them into 'pay-to-fly' style training programs?
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Old 3rd Jul 2017, 03:52
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Hong Kong Engineer and Pilot shortage. SCMP 020717

L3 HKA Cadet Pilot.
L3 HKA Application and selection.
L3 HKA Route plan.
L3 HKA Finance and funding.
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Old 3rd Jul 2017, 11:32
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A poster earlier mentioned that the "shortage" seems to be of people who meet the airline "criteria".

When you have requirements like 150 hours flown in last 3 months and recurrency check on type in last 6 months you are creating your own shortage. The amount of people I know who have been rejected on some pointless company requirement is scary.
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Old 3rd Jul 2017, 11:48
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Very true.
When I first came to Asia I quickly realised most companies want 3 month 'currency' to even look at your CV.
After 6 months your licence is considered lapsed.
After 12 months - find a new career.
Now, they may occasionally 'be flexible', if your agency is persuasive enough. But the Official line is you're on a loser after just 3 months out.
It's made all the more stupid by the fact that they'll still require a 'Sim Refresher Course' even if you did your last flight yesterday. And circuits n bumps too, FFS.
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 06:19
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It is a reality



https://aviationvoice.com/pilot-shor...erm=2017-07-08
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 07:04
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Interesting.

The Alaska Air Group has been under a lot of criticism for what appears to be CX type management.
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 07:34
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The rumour is that CX are returning 16 777s not because they do not have commercial opportunities to exploit with these airframes and not because the lease terms are outrageous to renew but because they simply cannot be crewed because there are insufficient numbers of pilots employed. (Just a rumour on a rumour network).
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 08:08
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Given that HKIA has only got, what, 7,000 more slots a year, and CX still has a bunch of A350/ B777X coming before 3rd runway is ready, I think it is more likely that while we have the commercial opportunities to exploit, we just won't have the slots before 2023/24/ whenever 3rd runway up and running and the ATC issues sorted.

Of course, the lack of foresight to not see that the airport would be full, and order aircraft regardless, is a bit silly.
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 09:41
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Ok, what a great plan. They announce their interest in expanding, but at the same time are losing an every increasing number of experienced pilots, can't hire or train replacements and then go out of their way to alienate the remaining ones they do at the moment still have on the seniority list. Brilliant. Nothing can compare to the genius of our management.
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 10:40
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Freeholds-if it was a slot problem then Cathay would be getting larger and larger aircraft to move more passengers on each slot and operating 3 large movements to say Heathrow instead of 5 small ones. But more and more smaller aircraft arrive by the week ; how many seats does the A350 configuration provide ( and NONE of them First Class ) ?
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 11:30
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People want greater choice of departure times. Emirates knows full well how hard it is to fill an A380. I know that some Emirates routes had 4-5 triples sevens a day operating with no empty seats but when it's cut to 2-3 times a day on a 380 they leave half empty. This isn't the case on all routes but it's something they found out the hard way.

Passengers want frequency not giant aircraft.
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Old 9th Jul 2017, 11:37
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The question of whether increased frequency generates load or whether it just dilutes a finite demand for seats over more flights is an old one. But , when there is increased pressure on airport slots then the inevitable consequence must be larger aircraft offering more seats per slot.
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