KA248 tail strike
Isn't Wikipedia a wonderful thing ? Course I'm related to him.
Helmut Kohl ? A great and good man, sadly missed. As was Adenauer. My choice of moniker has very little to do with regard for those scum that once stalked the earth. Quite the opposite.
Anyway, we've hijacked the thread quite enough.
Jedem das sein. Another phrase the f@ckrs hijacked for their own ends.
Anyway, we've hijacked the thread quite enough.
Jedem das sein. Another phrase the f@ckrs hijacked for their own ends.
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Few comments from the usual ranters here.
Seems one of their " respected honourable bloody good trainer" matey types may be in the deep sh1t.
There were 3 pilots , who was doing what though ????
Seems one of their " respected honourable bloody good trainer" matey types may be in the deep sh1t.
There were 3 pilots , who was doing what though ????
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I love that this thread has turned from a potential discussion where we could perhaps all take a point away with us; to accusing someone as being part of the SS.
Well done, boys.
And you wonder what is to come...
Well done, boys.
And you wonder what is to come...
An in depth discussion about einsatz kommando ?
There are perhaps 3 senarios inplay here:
1) The FO bounced the plane and then touchdown with a very nose high , low energy state. Perhaps -15 below Vapp. Tailstrike.
2) The FO bounced and the Captain took over. Then as above , tried to arrest the sink rate with a very nose high pitch . Tailstrike.
3) The Captain took over at some stage and ultimately failed to initiate the missed approach and his none SOP actions caused the subsiquent tail strike .
1) The FO bounced the plane and then touchdown with a very nose high , low energy state. Perhaps -15 below Vapp. Tailstrike.
2) The FO bounced and the Captain took over. Then as above , tried to arrest the sink rate with a very nose high pitch . Tailstrike.
3) The Captain took over at some stage and ultimately failed to initiate the missed approach and his none SOP actions caused the subsiquent tail strike .
There are plenty of other scenarios, equally plausible. Why do all of yours apportion blame to the crew?
There are plenty of other scenarios, equally plausible. Why do all of yours apportion blame to the crew?
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The funny thing is, reading the preliminary findings it looks like the guys have nothing to be blamed for.
But of course people would only know that if they actually worked in the place instead of ranting against it on pprune.
But of course people would only know that if they actually worked in the place instead of ranting against it on pprune.
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On the contary. The updated findings quotes SOP proceedures requiring the PM to be alert for unstable attitudes, to call out any significant deviations , and to go around if necessary.
Of note is that there was a hard landing and subsequent bounce and second landing striking the tail. Its possible the first hard landing dislodged some of the flight control computers causing a flight control anomaly .
Ironically , the trainer acting as PM teaches the UPRT ( upset and recovery) in the sim to pilots on their recent checks. It appears he may not have acted ideally when presented with his real life upset requiring recovery.
Company is trying to blame Airbus. This should be interesting. More to come. ...
Of note is that there was a hard landing and subsequent bounce and second landing striking the tail. Its possible the first hard landing dislodged some of the flight control computers causing a flight control anomaly .
Ironically , the trainer acting as PM teaches the UPRT ( upset and recovery) in the sim to pilots on their recent checks. It appears he may not have acted ideally when presented with his real life upset requiring recovery.
Company is trying to blame Airbus. This should be interesting. More to come. ...
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From the safety report, the FO ( local guy) initiated a go around when the "pitch pitch"
warning sounded. The Training captain (not local) took over and subsiquently failed to control the situation and caused the tail strike. Dubious decision at best which I'm sure he regrets.
Who takes over and lands when a go around has initiated by the PF? Remember Qantas in BKK? I mean what are the sky gods smoking these days?
warning sounded. The Training captain (not local) took over and subsiquently failed to control the situation and caused the tail strike. Dubious decision at best which I'm sure he regrets.
Who takes over and lands when a go around has initiated by the PF? Remember Qantas in BKK? I mean what are the sky gods smoking these days?
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If......
If it transpires the crew acted appropriately or were faced with circumstances that could not be reasonably expected to occur......
That the people on this forum who want to apportion blame without evidence (guilty until proven innocent?) will have the decency to post an apology.
I for one am heartily sick of pilots sitting in judgement of their peers when they were not there nor are in full possesion of the facts.
If management judged crews in the same manner I can only imagine the howls of protest.
That the people on this forum who want to apportion blame without evidence (guilty until proven innocent?) will have the decency to post an apology.
I for one am heartily sick of pilots sitting in judgement of their peers when they were not there nor are in full possesion of the facts.
If management judged crews in the same manner I can only imagine the howls of protest.
Hear hear Staggers.
That the people on this forum who want to apportion blame without evidence (guilty until proven innocent?) will have the decency to post an apology
What if it comes out the aircraft was malfunctioning? The "accused", is safely on the ground with a scrape. Krone could be in a low level go around with no elevator control.
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So sad to see everyone becoming an accident investigator and laughing at others when things like this happen . Last minute instructor takeover is never easy peasy, let's try and learn from each other
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I remember the "us n them" at KA. Trainers: untouchable , bipolar and irrational with their mindless obsessive compulsive disorders regarding the none essentials.
The 0645 check in. The back slapping and moaning about how hard they are working.
Mate, im on 103 hours its killing me . Oh, but hows the OT then ? Ah mate 85k but id rather not be so busy. And all this nonsense infront of a poor single striper whos earning less than half the trainers OT in a month. But do they resign and go back to the line? To hell they do. Privileged rosters, wispering into eleanors ear. Pleeeese give me that duty so I can get off on leave. Please give me that late start and kick that line skipper off that flight. And then theres the joking in the pub, loud talk in public places of DB or Sai Kung , berating some guy for all to hear.
Which brings me to my point about the above incident. The training department in KA have created so much animosity and hatred among the rank and file that when an incident happens to one of the sky gods its only natural the common local and reg expats look on with glee. Not nice. Not respectful. Just human nature.
Now im off back to my purile flights . Enjoy China boys. ��
The 0645 check in. The back slapping and moaning about how hard they are working.
Mate, im on 103 hours its killing me . Oh, but hows the OT then ? Ah mate 85k but id rather not be so busy. And all this nonsense infront of a poor single striper whos earning less than half the trainers OT in a month. But do they resign and go back to the line? To hell they do. Privileged rosters, wispering into eleanors ear. Pleeeese give me that duty so I can get off on leave. Please give me that late start and kick that line skipper off that flight. And then theres the joking in the pub, loud talk in public places of DB or Sai Kung , berating some guy for all to hear.
Which brings me to my point about the above incident. The training department in KA have created so much animosity and hatred among the rank and file that when an incident happens to one of the sky gods its only natural the common local and reg expats look on with glee. Not nice. Not respectful. Just human nature.
Now im off back to my purile flights . Enjoy China boys. ��