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Hong Kong Airlines (HKA)

Old 6th Dec 2017, 01:39
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Below the glide,

A perfect name for you it seems. Stick with that one...
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Old 7th Dec 2017, 03:15
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HKA has too many Pilots with a serious lack of English proficiency. Some of them have even risen to high positions in the company. Their lack of English comprehension equates inevitably to a deficit in comprehension of the books, especially the mangled English of the FCOMs.

But they will judge you.
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Old 8th Dec 2017, 07:36
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Is the package still the same ?
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Old 20th Dec 2017, 18:45
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So what happened to all the hiring supposedly to be going on? I've been waiting for CP approval for two months.Did I miss something?
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Old 21st Dec 2017, 00:54
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Yes, you obviously missed the point that coming to HK is a fools errand.
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Old 21st Dec 2017, 08:01
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Wow, the coolaid is flowing so fast on here you could catch diabetes just reading this crap. A fools paradise
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Old 21st Dec 2017, 17:25
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Originally Posted by Trafalgar View Post
Yes, you obviously missed the point that coming to HK is a fools errand.
Truly! Take whatever you think is decent compensation and double it. Thatís how expensive living in HK is. Only two things are affordable in HK anymore, a custom tailored suit and taxi fares. Other than that, think Swiss Francs and Geneva with pollution, high population density, and suffocating heat and humidity 8 months of the year. You will live in a shoebox and 9 of 10 locals will wish you werenít there. Seriously!
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 01:03
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think Swiss francs and Geneva
without the hot Swiss girls
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 13:57
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Even the Hong Kong locals are leaving HKG.. due to pollution, most expensive per sq foot housing in the world, etc

Why Hongkongers are leaving city in droves | Asia Times

Number of people seeking a fresh start outside Hong Kong hits three-year high | South China Morning Post
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 14:07
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Pollution, expensive housing? Leave....? Not a chance, i'm staying (and forcing my wife and kids to stay as well) because "I get to fly a shiny jet"....! And I get to do it for low wages and no benefits. What's NOT to like

(oh, I forget the added benefit of knowing how much the management values and respects me )
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 16:13
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... and donít forget how close HK is to great places like Taipei, Manila, and Guangzhou for your touring pleasure.

Western dumps like the Gold Coast, Whistler, and Prague are very far away so you have to bother with visiting those, not that there is any money left to do so anyhow.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 16:23
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So now we got to the point of denying that HK is very close to fantastic destinations? (Thailand, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, Philippines tropical islands, I could go on and on).
I think you came to idealize the west just a tiny bit by now, I know both quite well and I can tell you the atmosphere, opportunities, destinations and mix of cultures you guys have in that part of Asia many people would kill to have. Your kids are millions of years ahead of their European counterparts.
Some here need to get very real. And if eventually you do get to the point of throwing it all away (I doubt it) I would love to hear your impressions after a couple of years in a low cost in Western Europe.
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 17:04
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Dude, I can just picture your hairstyle.... (and when you say my kids are a 'million' years ahead....you mean, in acquiring lung and skin diseases don't you?)
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 18:21
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bringbackthe80s

Been there, done that. Had enough of third world vacations. Some of the places I used to go simply aren’t safe anymore, especially with kids. However, Japan is a lovely place and the only decent part of Asia imo. Singapore? Please, that place is more expensive than HK. Cleaner for sure, but who goes there on holiday?

As for your kids being far ahead, I seriously doubt it. That is just something people in HK say to make themselves feel better. Spend that money on schools in the US, Canada, Oz, or Europe; and your kids will be ready for any top tier university, if they’re smart enough.

HK schools teach to the test, not for the love of learning or the arts. Like almost all things in HK, hollow!
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 18:44
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Oh FFS then just do us all a favour and leave. The tedium of your posts Trafalgar just beggars belief. For the love of god, follow the advice you so readily dish out umpteen times a day to others in a lesser position than you and set an example. Go!
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 18:58
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The questions isn’t whether Traf or anybody else leaves, because I’m sure they will in due time. The question is whether those who stay, like yourself presumably, are willing to fight. Statistically, the answer is probably not. I bet you’re just flying your December roster like always as if your Christmas bonus wasn’t stolen from you. Right?
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 19:16
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Sorvad. Thank you for the recognition. It makes my Christmas a warm and fuzzy one knowing I manage to get under your skin (like the rest of our management or management sycophants). I suspect the real problem you have with my comments is the guilt it makes you feel regarding the health of your family. If my comments result in you thinking that through a bit more, then it will have been worth the effort. Happy holidays...cough.

(btw, just had a review of your previous posts....interesting how you mainly seem to support the management decisions and policies. Guess that's just a coincidence. Have a Happy Holiday, enjoy your bonus, you know, the one the rest of us haven't received).

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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 19:21
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Cxorcist. You make a good point. How can any pilot in this airline not send a vote of protest to our management, in the only way they leave us: our roster. Will be interesting to see who has enough common sense to reply to the company in the only way they will understand (and deserve). Watershed moment in CX history if there ever was one...
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 19:25
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Nope, none of the above....my question is with your call to arms for people with so much more to lose than you to put their head above the parapet and do your dirty work for you, while you sit counting your millions in your ivory tower, smug in the knowlege that you've done your bit by going sick for a month. You're bloody contemptible
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Old 23rd Dec 2017, 19:34
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Hmmm. You have absolutely NO idea of what I have done over the years to support our profession and colleagues. I can tell however by your response to my (and others) comments that you seem quite comfortable being a cheerleader for this management. So, either you ARE management (my strong suspicion), or a spikey haired 200hr wannabe who doesn't understand the basics of a well rounded life, including all the issues of raising a family, dealing with illness, elderly parents and preparing for retirement. You may not like my comments or their tone, but they are a truthful light shone on the nature of CX management and the destruction they have wrought on both our profession, and individual pilots (three suicides to date, one orphaned child). But you go ahead and suggest i'm the problem, i'm sure that rings true with the majority of readers to this forum...

(oh, and your comment about 'raising above the parapet'. Are you suggesting that other pilots in the airline should do nothing to support their profession and their right to decent terms and conditions?, or are you suggesting that most are too cowardly to do so? Confused... And really confused about the 'doing dirty work for 'me' comment. I thought the whole point was for all to take action to support all, in the best interests of all. Curious. What floor in CX city is your cubicle on?)
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