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From: Nimbus
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No HKPA raise without productivity increase.
Will the rest of us have to pay for an increase of allowance for a select few?
What about admitting that goodwill and extra training capacity are good enough as a productivity increase?
Will the rest of us have to pay for an increase of allowance for a select few?
What about admitting that goodwill and extra training capacity are good enough as a productivity increase?
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From: The Cesspit
CX saved plenty with the unilateral introduction of HKPA to replace housing, of which they passed none back to the pilot body.
So until the day HKPA surpasses housing they'll still be saving money.
When that day arrives, then maybe we should consider making some concessions or productivity gains.
Typical Swire gameplay. Steal something from their staff then sell half of it back and call it fair. Ala any concessions they may give on 3 crew long haul.
So until the day HKPA surpasses housing they'll still be saving money.
When that day arrives, then maybe we should consider making some concessions or productivity gains.
Typical Swire gameplay. Steal something from their staff then sell half of it back and call it fair. Ala any concessions they may give on 3 crew long haul.
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From: VHHH Ocean 2D
Well if that's the case, then the vote will be No. Who in their right mind wants to work more for more money? Surely they both cancel each other out.
Unless you are one of these maniacs who wants to work themselves into an early grave aka Pilots- turned- Sim Instructors .
Unless you are one of these maniacs who wants to work themselves into an early grave aka Pilots- turned- Sim Instructors .
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From: with the ex-CX pond scum (a zoologist was once head of Flight Ops)
A big 'thank you' to all the training captains, who have helped to dilute our contract. You must feel very proud about having 'given something back'.
Last edited by Captain Dart; 13th January 2017 at 22:16.
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As usual, CX management are trying it on. Even if they increased HKPA by 30%, it would barely compensate for the inflation that has occurred since it was introduced, so even a 30% change would only bring it back to where it was to begin with in value. Now they suggest that to bring you back to somewhere even, you have to work more !! What a joke. Chaps/ladies, throw it back in their faces. I think they need to be shown what a complete withdrawal of goodwill looks like. Frankly, I think AT's Friday Flyer comment was an insult to every pilot in this airline who are now obviously being taken for fools. When other airlines are giving their pilots 30% + pay raises, CX is still diddling around with a long overdue change to HKPA. This management is contemptuous.
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From: Gerloz
Re Dart; nice to see AOAE Captains taking training upgrades. Technically they're not bound by the TB. Still, it's nice to see them supporting the cause, all in the spirit of solidarity. The same solidarity that will see them wanting max support over the Man base closure. Sadly, you reap what you sow.
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From: up here, everyone looks like ants!
Did you think, for a moment, that they actually think we'll go for this idiocy?
They KNOW
The Zero to Hero types are trapped
They KNOW
We'll never trade productivity for HKPA increases
They KNOW
We'll never strike
They KNOW
That SJS will continue to attract low time/no time applicants
They KNOW
That delay, delay, delay is a tactic that WORKS and SAVES MONEY
They KNOW
They screwed up with fuel hedging
They KNOW
That while they have their heads in the trough, the staff will pay for it
They KNOW
That pilots are perceived as being overpaid and underworked
and
They KNOW
That CX owns the press
Stop being surprised. They're not surprised by anything (except the fuel price) and even that's debatable...
They KNOW
The Zero to Hero types are trapped
They KNOW
We'll never trade productivity for HKPA increases
They KNOW
We'll never strike
They KNOW
That SJS will continue to attract low time/no time applicants
They KNOW
That delay, delay, delay is a tactic that WORKS and SAVES MONEY
They KNOW
They screwed up with fuel hedging
They KNOW
That while they have their heads in the trough, the staff will pay for it
They KNOW
That pilots are perceived as being overpaid and underworked
and
They KNOW
That CX owns the press
Stop being surprised. They're not surprised by anything (except the fuel price) and even that's debatable...
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From: Earth
Re Dart; nice to see AOAE Captains taking training upgrades. Technically they're not bound by the TB. Still, it's nice to see them supporting the cause, all in the spirit of solidarity. The same solidarity that will see them wanting max support over the Man base closure. Sadly, you reap what you sow.
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From: HKG
I am surprised the AOAHK are even talking to the company. Seriously, after the failed TA. The company know what the AOA want. They know the shortcomings of the TA and the RP's and the HKPA. The line is firmly in the sand. They either meet the line or the stale mate continues simple. Oh and at the same time ramp up the court cases against the company on every stinking issue!
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From: US
Boy, the car dealer really must see a few of the folks at CX coming.
"You know, they put that true coat on at the factory"
"Without that true coat you get oxidation"
Jack up the price and then make a 'deal' with an inflated sticker. Oldest trick in the book. It's all pure profit.
Kind of like taking something away then trying to sell it back to you. Or asking for productivity gains after taking something away you used to have.
Good luck !
"You know, they put that true coat on at the factory"
"Without that true coat you get oxidation"
Jack up the price and then make a 'deal' with an inflated sticker. Oldest trick in the book. It's all pure profit.
Kind of like taking something away then trying to sell it back to you. Or asking for productivity gains after taking something away you used to have.
Good luck !
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From: UK
Re Dart; nice to see AOAE Captains taking training upgrades. Technically they're not bound by the TB. Still, it's nice to see them supporting the cause, all in the spirit of solidarity. The same solidarity that will see them wanting max support over the Man base closure. Sadly, you reap what you sow.
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From: Gerloz
Shaggers. At no stage did I state that Man captains' were taking upgrades. In fact I didn't specify which other than AOAE. Think Hounslow rather than Cheshire and you'll be in a better ballpark. As for "splitting" Man crews. Wtf ? I made no such attempt. Merely stated a fact that can be checked on the master roster if you can be arsed.