Brexit, Trump and Damaged Goods
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Brexit, Trump and Damaged Goods
I have been loathed to comment on the CX pilot/ company relationship, however a recent post on another thread has tempted me to write. I have been watching this slow motion car crash from the sidelines merely as an interested observer, but I'd like to make a couple of comments if I may.
This year has seen some controversial decisions taken. Brexit and Trump being two global ones, and the AOA decision to reject the TA locally. All three got in by a very small margin, leaving just under 50% of the electorate deeply unhappy.
However, the majority has spoken. You can whinge all you like about not liking it, but it's the path that has been chosen and you now need to back it 100% to get the result you want. I really couldn't believe it that you suspended CC for a typhoon, or crew preparing for flights in their own time before a duty ( not to mention the duty time implications of that should an incident happen) or working on G days or going into discretion. Are you in CC or not?? You will have to support this thing 100% whether you voted for it or not for it to be successful. Otherwise you are wasting your time.
Damaged Goods
From experience I've seen that CC is at its worst is only an annoyance for the company. What really gets their attention is experienced crews leaving. That is the only thing that got KA pilots a decent package. Over a four year period nearly 25% of the pilot workforce resigned. Basically the company thinks that if you are not leaving then it can't be that bad.
There are a number of you guys that really should leave. You have been so damaged by this fight that even if CX capitulated fully now you still would not be happy. You have been damaged beyond repair ( as far as CX employment goes anyway). Leaving would have a double benefit. One, you would be far happier and two, the remaining pilots would have far more leverage.
Reading the comments on here there are quite a few I could name ( but I won't) that shout out as " damaged" and really should leave. You are the ones that hate CX, hate HK and China, don't like the Chinese. If that is you then you are in the wrong job in the wrong town. Do yourself and all your colleagues a favour and leave. It really will be the best for you. ( unless of course you secretly enjoy it)
I am really hoping for the best for you guys, but at the moment you seem unhappy divided and rudderless.
This year has seen some controversial decisions taken. Brexit and Trump being two global ones, and the AOA decision to reject the TA locally. All three got in by a very small margin, leaving just under 50% of the electorate deeply unhappy.
However, the majority has spoken. You can whinge all you like about not liking it, but it's the path that has been chosen and you now need to back it 100% to get the result you want. I really couldn't believe it that you suspended CC for a typhoon, or crew preparing for flights in their own time before a duty ( not to mention the duty time implications of that should an incident happen) or working on G days or going into discretion. Are you in CC or not?? You will have to support this thing 100% whether you voted for it or not for it to be successful. Otherwise you are wasting your time.
Damaged Goods
From experience I've seen that CC is at its worst is only an annoyance for the company. What really gets their attention is experienced crews leaving. That is the only thing that got KA pilots a decent package. Over a four year period nearly 25% of the pilot workforce resigned. Basically the company thinks that if you are not leaving then it can't be that bad.
There are a number of you guys that really should leave. You have been so damaged by this fight that even if CX capitulated fully now you still would not be happy. You have been damaged beyond repair ( as far as CX employment goes anyway). Leaving would have a double benefit. One, you would be far happier and two, the remaining pilots would have far more leverage.
Reading the comments on here there are quite a few I could name ( but I won't) that shout out as " damaged" and really should leave. You are the ones that hate CX, hate HK and China, don't like the Chinese. If that is you then you are in the wrong job in the wrong town. Do yourself and all your colleagues a favour and leave. It really will be the best for you. ( unless of course you secretly enjoy it)
I am really hoping for the best for you guys, but at the moment you seem unhappy divided and rudderless.
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Ahhhh... are you junior and trying to talk people into quitting so you can gain some seniority in the pathetic hope that it will make your life better? I feel sad for you!
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Aaahh, there lies some of the problem. A total lack of comprehension.
You can set out a clear argument stating where you're from and why you are saying it, but then the Pogies of the world blunder in.
Ok. I'll explain.
I work for KA
I was with when KA was in contract compliance
Contract compliance only really works with 100% commitment
The tactic which finally worked was when large numbers of senior disgruntled pilots left.
How's that Pogie. Got it now???
You can set out a clear argument stating where you're from and why you are saying it, but then the Pogies of the world blunder in.
Ok. I'll explain.
I work for KA
I was with when KA was in contract compliance
Contract compliance only really works with 100% commitment
The tactic which finally worked was when large numbers of senior disgruntled pilots left.
How's that Pogie. Got it now???
Yes thanks for the group hug and the avuncular advice Giggerty. Don't know how we managed without you frankly. Now nip off and chat to someone who gives a sh+t..
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Or look at it the other way around, we want this place to be so miserable and depressing that folks like you quit and the rest of us can finally get behind our union and sharpen the teeth of the machine.
And since you're KA, why is it any of your concern? Do you just feel in a particularly condescending mood today, or are you tired of training our S/Os already?
KA always had the potential to be engineered to the disadvantage of the CX pilot group and it's snowballing in my observations. I'm not smug and I wish you well.
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Giggerty, you are actually right. I get what you are saying and take no offense. Both Red and Green have just become the antithesis of corruption or my favorite term, "moral turpitude". It's not just the companies either but the unions themselves. I am going to get bashed for this but I hold them in contempt as well.
The whole thing has descended into chaos and I personally think that there is no hope in sight. In fact it's only getting worse and housing will go in 2017/2018. There are many whom have already sold themselves the idea of living in a 450-700' box in Tung Chung. I do not blame the new joiners but the old guard that has been watching and letting our t's&c's slide for years and did nothing but sign. It's the A scalers whom are responsible for where we are today. It's the A, who became B scalers, that have sold, and will continue to, sell us out. Some of those are in check and training and their kids are here on lower t's&c's knowing full well what they were doing. Can you imagine not only selling your colleagues out but your own children??? Honestly, it sickens me.
I think both sides would rather see it burn to the ground which is where, I believe, it is going. So yes, get off the Titanic before it sinks and takes everyone with it into Davie Jones locker.
Management, at both operations, are truly psychopaths as they do it on purpose and rather get enjoyment out of it.
Apologies for the Holiday rant but if you know it's corrupt and you continue to watch and be part of it then you are part of the problem, not the solution. It's been this way at these places for years. It has plagued me and has bothered not only mine, but others health's as well. Three dead this year just on the miserable freighter is a @#$%ing sign! Yes, people are dying now because of these people and they will run you into the ground if you let them.
Again. sorry for the rant but I am actually angry now.
Happy Holidays anyway
The whole thing has descended into chaos and I personally think that there is no hope in sight. In fact it's only getting worse and housing will go in 2017/2018. There are many whom have already sold themselves the idea of living in a 450-700' box in Tung Chung. I do not blame the new joiners but the old guard that has been watching and letting our t's&c's slide for years and did nothing but sign. It's the A scalers whom are responsible for where we are today. It's the A, who became B scalers, that have sold, and will continue to, sell us out. Some of those are in check and training and their kids are here on lower t's&c's knowing full well what they were doing. Can you imagine not only selling your colleagues out but your own children??? Honestly, it sickens me.
I think both sides would rather see it burn to the ground which is where, I believe, it is going. So yes, get off the Titanic before it sinks and takes everyone with it into Davie Jones locker.
Management, at both operations, are truly psychopaths as they do it on purpose and rather get enjoyment out of it.
Apologies for the Holiday rant but if you know it's corrupt and you continue to watch and be part of it then you are part of the problem, not the solution. It's been this way at these places for years. It has plagued me and has bothered not only mine, but others health's as well. Three dead this year just on the miserable freighter is a @#$%ing sign! Yes, people are dying now because of these people and they will run you into the ground if you let them.
Again. sorry for the rant but I am actually angry now.
Happy Holidays anyway
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I'll be having surgery on something next summer. I then plan on spending the holidays (all of them, including Halloween) in my home country with friends and family.
I feel like I'm getting released from prison next year and just need to not get "shivved" before I leave. I so want to tell Crew Control to GTH! I'll wait for a roster change or changes to say that though. Maybe I'll get myself on step 3, get called in and say, "It's ok, I'll leave, BUH BYE"! Maybe I'll just roll the sim on my next PC, while sharting and vomiting the fish. A real Peter Graves moment. So many ideas, so little time. Leaving a deuce on ATs desk is my fav though.
Honestly, my December paycheck was a real doozie. I realize though, that it just does not make up for all that I've lost or will be losing when housing goes next year.
Feliz Navidad
I feel like I'm getting released from prison next year and just need to not get "shivved" before I leave. I so want to tell Crew Control to GTH! I'll wait for a roster change or changes to say that though. Maybe I'll get myself on step 3, get called in and say, "It's ok, I'll leave, BUH BYE"! Maybe I'll just roll the sim on my next PC, while sharting and vomiting the fish. A real Peter Graves moment. So many ideas, so little time. Leaving a deuce on ATs desk is my fav though.
Honestly, my December paycheck was a real doozie. I realize though, that it just does not make up for all that I've lost or will be losing when housing goes next year.
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There are a few references to complaints about pillows both here and on the union forums - I'm guessing this has come from "yammer" , but for those of us that don't partake, would someone mind filling us in ?
Some princesses, and it has to be said princes, whining about lack of pillow choices at crew hotel to the crew service delivery manager on Yammer. I'll leave you to work out which fleet predominates.
